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Old 05-03-2016, 07:16 PM
 
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Local transit ridership has always been pretty middling. I suspect this is an over-focus on trains at the expense of buses, coupled with a suburban focus and lack of frequency for the train service, and a relative lack of density.

That said, I still wish my city had as many train routes even while our ridership is much higher per capita.
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Old 05-05-2016, 03:19 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Las Vegas is, and always will be, stuck like glue to the 1960's! One of the last cities in the country to get light rail! Our powerful, mob-like taxi unions are behind it all! Put a rail line from the Airport to Downtown, and there's 9,000 taxi drivers in this town? Can you see why?

We're so stuck in the 60's, they're even talking about building an elevated roadway from the Airport to the Convention Center!

Minneapolis is doing a great job of bringing rail to that city. I left Minneapolis in 1993, and if I had known that light rail was finally going to materialize, I may have stayed there. When I lived there, there was continual talks of a light rail from downtown Minneapolis to downtown St. Paul, talks going on since the mid 1970's, and Finally, finally, they got around to doing in the last couple years!
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Old 05-05-2016, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Who cares? Street cars are a massive infrastructure investment that are less efficient for transporting people than buses. They give people in cities with poor public transit something to be proud of.

If you're not going to bury it or elevate it, there's no reason to build a light rail system.
Thank you. Streetcars are for upper middle class white people who want to feel cosmopolitan even though they don't live in New York, Boston, or DC.

Had to be said.
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Old 05-05-2016, 07:30 AM
 
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Baltimore and Portland.

Honolulu and Milwaukee have phenomenal bus-only systems (with better usage than Denver's system even with light rail).

Minneapolis and Pittsburgh and San Diego are fairly close, St Louis is not even in the same league.
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Old 05-05-2016, 08:13 AM
 
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Thank you. Streetcars are for upper middle class white people who want to feel cosmopolitan even though they don't live in New York, Boston, or DC.

Had to be said.
Light rail and streetcars are not the same thing.
The Light rail currently being built in most cities is mostly grade separated with maybe a couple at-grade crossings (which is why its not heavy rail). Streetcars have all shared lanes, which makes them inefficient.
So Denver, Minneapolis, Denver etc are not so misguided.
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Old 05-05-2016, 08:55 AM
 
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Light rail and streetcars are not the same thing.
The Light rail currently being built in most cities is mostly grade separated with maybe a couple at-grade crossings (which is why its not heavy rail). Streetcars have all shared lanes, which makes them inefficient.
So Denver, Minneapolis, Denver etc are not so misguided.
I'm not familiar with either of these systems, but I've lived in two cities (Boston and Pittsburgh) with light rail that ran on surface roads, and in both cases they're slower than busses. Even when the streetcar has its own lane, its subject to traffic at intersections. Most cities would be better served by increasing bus routes (while decreasing stops. No reason to have a bus stop on every block) and frequency than adding light rail. My current city, Pittsburgh, has limited light rail and BRT, and the BRT is MUCH faster.
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Old 05-05-2016, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Terramaria
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Baltimore and Portland.

Honolulu and Milwaukee have phenomenal bus-only systems (with better usage than Denver's system even with light rail).

Minneapolis and Pittsburgh and San Diego are fairly close, St Louis is not even in the same league.
Light Rail/transit is disappointing for Baltimore and is in the same league with St. Louis. In anything, they should have utilized the tunnel that goes under Howard Street instead of stopping at every light and connecting with the lone subway line near Lexington Market (similar to Boston's Green Line with the smaller cars but tunnel through downtown). It is usually at least 15 minutes between trains, and a times up to 30 in some far points along the line, along with a weird "Honors system" at times with regards to fares. Its still better than Tampa's pathetic line that's only about two miles long.

New Orleans, while a bit smaller than Denver, isn't too bad with its system serving many of the major destinations and is comparable with Baltimore's in terms of scale despite being smaller than Baltimore, and includes a unique link where you can walk a block and take a free ferry across the Mississippi.
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Old 05-05-2016, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Arch City
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Baltimore and Portland.

Honolulu and Milwaukee have phenomenal bus-only systems (with better usage than Denver's system even with light rail).

Minneapolis and Pittsburgh and San Diego are fairly close, St Louis is not even in the same league.
I'm so tired of you putting down St. Louis. You put down The Hill, you put down our sports teams, etc. Our Metrolink rail compares to Denver for sure. We have two lines that span the city and its inner suburbs as well as 18 miles of the Metro East. St. Louis has one of the best transit systems for a mid-sized city in the U.S. and easily compares to Denver, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland.
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Old 05-05-2016, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Arch City
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Light Rail/transit is disappointing for Baltimore and is in the same league with St. Louis. In anything, they should have utilized the tunnel that goes under Howard Street instead of stopping at every light and connecting with the lone subway line near Lexington Market (similar to Boston's Green Line with the smaller cars but tunnel through downtown). It is usually at least 15 minutes between trains, and a times up to 30 in some far points along the line, along with a weird "Honors system" at times with regards to fares. Its still better than Tampa's pathetic line that's only about two miles long.

New Orleans, while a bit smaller than Denver, isn't too bad with its system serving many of the major destinations and is comparable with Baltimore's in terms of scale despite being smaller than Baltimore, and includes a unique link where you can walk a block and take a free ferry across the Mississippi.
Baltimore is not even close to being in the same league as St. Louis. Baltimore has no light rail to speak of.
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Old 05-05-2016, 11:29 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Baltimore is not even close to being in the same league as St. Louis. Baltimore has no light rail to speak of.
Light Rail | Maryland Transit Administration
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