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Actually, NM and AZ were confederate claims and were largely settled by people from the south (save for the remaining Mexican and native population).
Culturally the two are more similar to the south than people think. Not exact by any measure, but politically and religiously they are more aligned with the south.
I don't disagree at all that they are western, but I do like to remind people that they in fact have ties to the south as well.
That's the biggest lie I've ever heard. Only far Eastern New Mexico resembles the South religiously as proven by maps. As far as politically, being Republican isn't an exclusively Southern thing. And that's ancient history. Later on many Northerners settled these states. New Mexico and Arizona have more in common with California than they do with the South. They are not in the same group as Texas and Oklahoma, which unlike NM and AZ are culturally, linguistically, and demographically Southern,
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That's the biggest lie I've ever heard. Only far Eastern New Mexico resembles the South religiously as proven by maps. As far as politically, being Republican isn't an exclusively Southern thing. And that's ancient history. Later on many Northerners settled these states. New Mexico and Arizona have more in common with California than they do with the South. They are not in the same group as Texas and Oklahoma, which unlike NM and AZ are culturally, linguistically, and demographically Southern,
Yes, northerners have also settled there and had then as well; but the majority of Americans in the area in the 1800's were from Texas and east. Especially prior to the war.
And no, right wing politics and religion is not a southern exclusive but a culture where these are the majority tends to lean towards commonality to the south.
Arizona and NM actually don't have as much in common with California as you think, at least not in terms of popular culture.
All of that aside I am not arguing that Arizona and New Mexico are southern states, I simply put it forward that there are ties to the south in them.
To me, personally, it wouldn't be unusual to group them in with Texas and Oklahoma over California. Note the word 'personally'. As in, you don't have to agree, nor am I saying my opinion is the one truth on the matter.
Yes, northerners have also settled there and had then as well; but the majority of Americans in the area in the 1800's were from Texas and east. Especially prior to the war.
And no, right wing politics and religion is not a southern exclusive but a culture where these are the majority tends to lean towards commonality to the south.
Arizona and NM actually don't have as much in common with California as you think, at least not in terms of popular culture.
All of that aside I am not arguing that Arizona and New Mexico are southern states, I simply put it forward that there are ties to the south in them.
To me, personally, it wouldn't be unusual to group them in with Texas and Oklahoma over California. Note the word 'personally'. As in, you don't have to agree, nor am I saying my opinion is the one truth on the matter.
Why are you always so defensive?
As a native Texan, I would have to agree that it doesn't exactly make much sense. There are parts of Texas that are more like Georgia than New Mexico.
Having small traces of Southern influence isn't a good reason to place these states in the same region as places that are full-on Southern.
Oh I don't disagree at all. But there are also parts of Texas that are more like NM than Georgia.
Very small parts, which are sparsely populated and rarely visited by most Texans themselves. This is why most people are comfortable saying that Texas is its own region.
I would say that the majority of native Texans are most culturally aligned with Louisiana, Oklahoma and Arkansas. That is the group we most accurately belong to.
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Very small parts, which are sparsely populated and rarely visited by most Texans themselves. This is why most people are comfortable saying that Texas is its own region.
I would say that the majority of native Texans are most culturally aligned with Louisiana, Oklahoma and Arkansas. That is the group we most accurately belong to.
That's the biggest lie I've ever heard. Only far Eastern New Mexico resembles the South religiously as proven by maps. As far as politically, being Republican isn't an exclusively Southern thing. And that's ancient history. Later on many Northerners settled these states. New Mexico and Arizona have more in common with California than they do with the South. They are not in the same group as Texas and Oklahoma, which unlike NM and AZ are culturally, linguistically, and demographically Southern,
He just said that they have more ties to the South than one would assume (not the same as them being southern states). Not a very big deal.
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