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Old 07-03-2016, 08:34 PM
 
Location: New England
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In culture, architecture, and topography (and any other signifant category), does New England share more in common with the Canadian Maritimes or the Mid-Atlantic?

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Old 07-03-2016, 09:21 PM
 
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Where is the Mid-Atlantic? Do you mean New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania or do you mean Virginia, DC, Maryland and Delaware?
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Old 07-03-2016, 09:44 PM
 
Location: New England
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I mean Northern Mid-Atlantic. New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. (This includes upstate New York, because I'm not sure all of New York can be considered Mid-Atlantic)
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Old 07-04-2016, 12:26 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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In culture, architecture, and topography (and any other signifant category), does New England share more in common with the Canadian Maritimes or the Mid-Atlantic?

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I would say, without any question, that the 3 southern New England states (Connecticut, Massachusetts and Rhode Island) are more like the Mid-Atlantic. On the other hand, there is an argument that Maine is more like the Maritimes, especially New Brunswick. Rural Vermont and New Hampshire are more mixed, but even here I would say they are more like rural Pennsylvania or especially Upstate New York then the Maritimes.

Here is the population density per square mile. Red for New England, Blue for Mid-Atlantic (leaving out the Virginias), and green for the Maritimes.

Per Square Mile 0 to 100

New Brunswick - 27
Maine - 43
Nova Scotia - 44
Prince Edward Island - 64
Vermont - 67

Per Square Mile 100 to 500

New Hampshire - 147
Pennsylvania - 284
New York - 416
Delaware - 469

Per Square Mile 501-1000

Maryland 596
Connecticut - 739
Massachusetts - 840

Per Square Mile 1001+

Rhode Island - 1006
New Jersey - 1210
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Old 07-04-2016, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Portland, Maine
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Culturally there are very strong ties between parts of New England and the Maritimes. This is partially because of immigration between the two areas as well as historical events that tie the two regions together. An example of the cultural ties is that Boston's official city christmas tree is sent to the city from Nova Scotia (most years) in remembrance of aid that was sent after an explosion in Halifax in 1917. Although there are also many cultural ties to the Mid Atlantic states the idea proposed above that rural New England and rural NY/Pennsylvania are similar isn't true. Speaking as someone who has lived in rural New England and has relatives in rural Pennsylvania the culture is very different. Rural Pennsylvania/NY is much more conservative than rural New England aside from some of the most isolated parts of ME, NH and VT. New England also has very different architecture from most of the Mid-Atlantic with freestanding apartments being the typical style of buildings in the city's with brick commercial buildings. Whereas the Mid-Atlantic is known for having row houses in even small towns.

I think it is probably a tie on which is more similar to New England.
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Old 07-05-2016, 12:05 AM
 
Location: Green Country
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New Hampshire and Vermont are closer to Upstate portions of the Mid-Atlantic (Upstate NY in particular and maybe Southern Quebec)

Maine is closer to Maritime Canada

Massachusetts is a mix of Maritime Canada (Essex, Plymouth and Cape Cod), Upstate Mid-Atlantic (west of Springfield) and Southern Mid-Atlantic (Boston Metro Area)

Rhode Island and Connecticut are increasingly Southern Mid-Atlantic imo

The vast majority of New England, however, is more Mid-Atlantic, with the exception of Maine and parts of Massachusetts (and coastal NH and RH like Portsmouth and Newport)
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Old 07-05-2016, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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Upstate NY (and the northern third of Pennsylvania - essentially the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre area and Erie) were settled by New Englanders, and thus are not really part of the Mid-Atlantic culturally speaking.

Regarding the Maritimes, there is a long history linking the provinces to New England:

In the case of Nova Scotia, 8,000 New Englanders moved up following the end of the French and Indian wars in the 18th century. Another 16,000 Loyalists migrated after the Revolutionary War. There were other cultural threads (particularly Scottish, as should be expected from the name of the colony), but the early Yankee presence set the tone.

New Brunswick was calved off of Nova Scotia following the Revolutionary War because so many Yankee loyalists settled there. Unlike Nova Scotia, the French-speaking Acadian population was never ethnically cleansed, but most Anglophones there today are of Yankee stock, mixed with later settlers from Scotland, Ireland, and the West Country of England.

Prince Edward Island had the smallest level of cultural connection overall. It was virtually empty following the end of the French and Indian wars when the Acadians were expelled, and only filled in decades later, with most settlers coming straight from the UK rather than from New England.

It should be noted that in all of these cases (along with Newfoundland, which isn't part of the Maritimes) large numbers of people left to work in the expanding mills in New England in the 19th century, which reinforced the cultural connections between the Maritimes and New England. I know many people from Massachusetts which can trace their family heritage to Canada - both Franco and Anglo-Canadian.
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Old 07-05-2016, 04:43 PM
 
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CT and maybe even RI are very mid atlantic. Hustle and bustle, traffic, sprawl, crazy expensive... though RI less so..
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Old 07-05-2016, 04:51 PM
 
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New Hampshire and Vermont are closer to Upstate portions of the Mid-Atlantic (Upstate NY in particular and maybe Southern Quebec)

Maine is closer to Maritime Canada

Massachusetts is a mix of Maritime Canada (Essex, Plymouth and Cape Cod), Upstate Mid-Atlantic (west of Springfield) and Southern Mid-Atlantic (Boston Metro Area)

Rhode Island and Connecticut are increasingly Southern Mid-Atlantic imo

The vast majority of New England, however, is more Mid-Atlantic, with the exception of Maine and parts of Massachusetts (and coastal NH and RH like Portsmouth and Newport)
How is cape cod more like Canada? Their pine barrens are the same as New Jersey's. And how are CT and RI more southern Mid-Atlantic?
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Old 07-05-2016, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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New Hampshire and Vermont are closer to Upstate portions of the Mid-Atlantic (Upstate NY in particular and maybe Southern Quebec)

Maine is closer to Maritime Canada

Massachusetts is a mix of Maritime Canada (Essex, Plymouth and Cape Cod), Upstate Mid-Atlantic (west of Springfield) and Southern Mid-Atlantic (Boston Metro Area)

Rhode Island and Connecticut are increasingly Southern Mid-Atlantic imo

The vast majority of New England, however, is more Mid-Atlantic, with the exception of Maine and parts of Massachusetts (and coastal NH and RH like Portsmouth and Newport)
I am glad you wrote this so I don't have to. Spot on, in my opinion.

One exception, though. I would put all of eastern Mass in the Mid-Atlantic type and western Mass with the upstate NY type.
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