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View Poll Results: Is Climate A Significant Factor Causing High Obesity Rates In The US South?
Yes 33 31.13%
No 73 68.87%
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Old 07-10-2016, 12:12 AM
 
Location: Tempe, AZ
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the only reason to talk about a food desert is to imply that poor people eat more junk food as a result because it is the only option. but, everybody lives with driving distance of a grocery store unless they grow their own food. you have to get food from somewhere.
Apparently everyone in this country has enough money to afford to buy a car, car insurance, and gas though as you are implying.
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Old 07-10-2016, 12:14 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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if there are rich obese people, it can't be linked to income.

let me try this another way.

how does making the case obesity is linked to poverty help reduce obesity, if the solutions to obesity are the same for people of any income, and the country has a high level of welfare and entitlements for poor people already.

people always say obesity levels have increased the last 50 years , but so has welfare and entitlement spending.

also worth pointing out the average lie span has increased despite the so called obesity epidemic.
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Old 07-10-2016, 12:16 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Apparently everyone in this country has enough money to afford to buy a car, car insurance, and gas though as you are implying.
how do people survive if no access to a grocery store? You aren't making any sense.
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Old 07-10-2016, 12:43 AM
 
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if there are rich obese people, it can't be linked to income.

let me try this another way.

how does making the case obesity is linked to poverty help reduce obesity, if the solutions to obesity are the same for people of any income, and the country has a high level of welfare and entitlements for poor people already.

people always say obesity levels have increased the last 50 years , but so has welfare and entitlement spending.

also worth pointing out the average lie span has increased despite the so called obesity epidemic.
Previous posts refute this claim. Go read them.

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how do people survive if no access to a grocery store? You aren't making any sense.
They survive by eating the food they can get... which happens to be junk food from a corner store (if not fast food).
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Old 07-10-2016, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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ok so all they do is eat junk food from a gas station, which also tend to charge more for food than a grocery store.

what evidence do you have that poor people purchase the majority of their food at a gas station or fast food. how could you or anybody else possibly know?

in most cities, the richest and poorest areas are often near each other. so obviously there are supermarkets with health food near poor people if rich people are nearby.

even in the smallest towns, there is usually at least 1 grocery store.

it terms of the free market, grocery stores will locate near people if money can be made and everybody has to eat.

if gas stations is where poor people all got their food, those stations would be so overcrowded.

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Old 07-10-2016, 08:26 AM
 
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ok. many people do argue that hence the confusion.

i think there is a big genetic component as you see more obesity in black and hispanic people than whites. the south has more of both black and hispanic. slower metabolism maybe.

i rarely see people that i would call obese, regardless of skin color.
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Old 07-10-2016, 09:54 AM
 
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ok so all they do is eat junk food from a gas station, which also tend to charge more for food than a grocery store.

what evidence do you have that poor people purchase the majority of their food at a gas station or fast food. how could you or anybody else possibly know?

in most cities, the richest and poorest areas are often near each other. so obviously there are supermarkets with health food near poor people if rich people are nearby.

even in the smallest towns, there is usually at least 1 grocery store.

it terms of the free market, grocery stores will locate near people if money can be made and everybody has to eat.

if gas stations is where poor people all got their food, those stations would be so overcrowded.
Why don't you go back, and read through the responses that have been posted to you throughout this thread. You will then see the reasons why your claims aren't following through.

Again, no one is saying that doing one thing can directly lead to obesity; instead, it is being said that many actions/circumstances are risk factors associated with obesity.
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Old 07-10-2016, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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why don't you go back and read all my points that count the points that you and others make.

for example, you say poor people drink soda because it is cheap. i point out that water is much cheaper. you don't concede that this undermines your assertion and repeat the poor drink soda because it is cheap. you also don't prove that the poor are all drinking a lot of soda compare to other people. i don't see how you can prove it.

i point out that people don't need a gym membership to be active, you can walk, run, etc for free. you insist that poor people lack of access to a gym is a factor even after conceding it isn't nececessary to be active. you also have not proven that poor people don't have access to a gym. it is just speculation.
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Old 07-10-2016, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Statistics have shown that. the fact that south has higher percentange of obesity seems to confirm it.
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Old 07-10-2016, 11:18 AM
 
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why don't you go back and read all my points that count the points that you and others make.
We did; that's how we found out that your points aren't sound. To see why your points aren't sound, read through this entire thread again, and don't bother responding until you do so.

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for example, you say poor people drink soda but it is cheap. i point out that water is much cheaper. you don't concede that this undermines your assertion and repeat the poor drink soda because it is cheap. you also don't prove that the poor are all drinking a lot of soda compare to other people. i don't see how you can prove it.
1.) Do keep in mind that in situations with extreme poverty in the US, not only will bottled water be of limited access, but even running, clean water from the tap at home will be hard to come by. If many people in poverty aren't able to afford even the most basic of necessities, then they can't really be able to pay, say their water bills; access then cuts of. Either that, or the running water isn't clean, and, thus, effort has to be taken to purify it.

2.)In the US, soda is indeed cheaper than many healthful drinks (including bottled water), and, unfortunately, it can be the cheapest item for the poor American to buy from the corner store. Before you mention tap water, keep in mind that in poor areas, the effort to completely purify the water (or even keep it running in the first place), can be more expensive than buying food in and of itself.

Again, no one is saying that there aren't "poor skinny people in the US." What is being said, though, is that being poor in the US puts you at risk for obesity. Not all smokers get cancer; doesn't mean that smoking isn't an action that puts one at risk for cancer.
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