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Old 07-20-2016, 06:57 AM
 
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Unless you live on the ocean, I have no idea.
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Old 07-20-2016, 08:21 AM
 
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having a pool or knowing someone in your neighborhood with a pool, being able to golf ,horseback ride etc. and do outdoor activities almost year round. Being able to grow some amazing things in your garden like citrus and great vegetables and amazing plants
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Old 07-20-2016, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Lubec, ME
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Climate, and its supposed effect on cognitive ability, has nothing to do with how different societies developed. If cold weather enhanced cognition, then it stands to reason that the Celts would have developed an alphabet and large-scale agriculture independently. They also would have been building roads, aqueducts, bridges, great colosseums, sewers, etc. Instead these things developed first in the warmer regions of the world.
The British Isles aren't "cold". They're "cool".

Besides that, the Mediterranean isn't "hot", it's "warm".
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Old 07-20-2016, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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The British Isles aren't "cold". They're "cool".

Besides that, the Mediterranean isn't "hot", it's "warm".
Nobody called the British Isles "cold" or the Mediterranean "hot" or "warm." We said that civilization didn't develop in the colder parts of the world. All of the hallmarks of civilization--writing, urbanization, architecture, engineering, advanced agriculture, science, literature--came to Northern Europe from places in the East that were compartively warmer (Rome, Greece, Persia, Mesopotamia, etc.). If the development of writing and agriculture were not by chance, and were largely the product of human determination and ingenuity, then they should have arisen in Northern Europe or among the Amerindians of the Upper Midwest if it is to be believed that cold climates in fact enhance cognitive ability (or rather creative selective pressures for higher order cognitive ability). But that's not what happened. After the collapse of the Roman empire, learning, scientific inquiry and "civilization" continued to move forward in Constantinople and the Middle East while Northern Europe remained backwards and illiterate.

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Old 07-20-2016, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Lubec, ME
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Nobody called the British Isles "cold" or the Mediterranean "hot" or "warm." We said that civilization didn't develop in the colder parts of the world. All of the hallmarks of civilization--writing, urbanization, architecture, engineering, advanced agriculture, science, literature--came to Northern Europe from places in the East that were compartively warmer (Rome, Greece, Persia, Mesopotamia, etc.). If the development of writing and agriculture were not by chance, and were largely the product of human determination and ingenuity, then they should have arisen in Northern Europe or among the Amerindians of the Upper Midwest if it is to be believed that cold climates in fact enhance cognitive ability (or rather creative selective pressures for higher order cognitive ability). But that's not what happened. After the collapse of the Roman empire, learning, scientific inquiry and "civilization" continued to move forward in Constantinople and the Middle East while Northern Europe remained backwards and illiterate.
"If cold weather enhanced cognition..."


British Isles aren't 'cold'.

With that being said, you're oversimplifying something complex.
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Old 07-20-2016, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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"If cold weather enhanced cognition..."


British Isles aren't 'cold'.
The British Isles are cold compared to Egypt.

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With that being said, you're oversimplifying something complex.
I'm not oversimplifying anything. This is a knee jerk response to a statement that was made in response to a conversation you clearly didn't follow.

A poster said that colder climates possibly led to greateer cognitive abilities, which "sadly" led to Northern Europeans dominating the world. Whether he knows it or not, this is a widely held theory among adherents of scientific racism. If it's true that colder climates enhance cognition, then Britons, the Anglos, the Saxons, the Jutes and all of the Germanic tribes should have pioneered systems of writing and agriculture well before the Sumerians, Egyptians, etc.

So I'm not oversimplifying something complex. I'm refuting a simplistic thesis that seems to be held by too many people on the internet.
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Old 07-20-2016, 02:19 PM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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I am in a 76 degree house looking outside at sunshine. It works for me and my bones.
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Old 07-21-2016, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Rochester NY
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Lived in Atlanta for almost 20 years and absolutely hated growing up there. Too hot to do anything in the summer. Winter was ok but it's not like you can go swimming or anything. Have lived in upstate NY for about the last 7 years a absolutely love it. The wife, kids, and I are always outside and always comfortable being outside during the spring, summer, and fall. And during the winter we are able to let the kids experience things like ice skating, sledding, snow shoeing, ice fishing, snowmobiling, and just enjoy the beauty of the snow in general. And as far as I'm concerned there is nothing more comforting and relaxing then snuggling up on the couch with the family and a hot cup of coffee while watching the snow come down,

We've considered moving south but I think it'd be unfair to the kids and robbing them of a fun childhood to move them far from so much to do.
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Old 07-21-2016, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Lived in Atlanta for almost 20 years and absolutely hated growing up there. Too hot to do anything in the summer. Winter was ok but it's not like you can go swimming or anything. Have lived in upstate NY for about the last 7 years a absolutely love it. The wife, kids, and I are always outside and always comfortable being outside during the spring, summer, and fall. And during the winter we are able to let the kids experience things like ice skating, sledding, snow shoeing, ice fishing, snowmobiling, and just enjoy the beauty of the snow in general. And as far as I'm concerned there is nothing more comforting and relaxing then snuggling up on the couch with the family and a hot cup of coffee while watching the snow come down,

We've considered moving south but I think it'd be unfair to the kids and robbing them of a fun childhood to move them far from so much to do.
Move southWEST, best of both worlds, you can live in a place where you CAN swim outdoors all year, and it's only a 3 hr drive to snow, skiing etc in the winter if you desire
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Old 07-21-2016, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Rochester NY
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Move southWEST, best of both worlds, you can live in a place where you CAN swim outdoors all year, and it's only a 3 hr drive to snow, skiing etc in the winter if you desire
3 hour drive is WAY to long to get to snow for me. I want to always have snow on the ground in the winter. Plus I couldn't handle the southwest heat and non stop sunshine. I enjoy a good mix of weather conditions.
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