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Old 09-17-2016, 03:44 PM
 
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Here's what the time zones would look like in the 48 contiguous United States if they were rigidly defined by longitude:



It's interesting to note that in general, except for the AST/EST line, the lines on this map were moved about 1/3 of the way to the west to attain the current time zones. In the Soviet Union (Russia today) they were moved about 3/4 of the way westward...and they still do DST on top of it. The one thing they did right.
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Old 09-17-2016, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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In the Soviet Union (Russia today) they were moved about 3/4 of the way westward...and they still do DST on top of it. The one thing they did right.
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Old 09-17-2016, 08:23 PM
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Location: Long Island / NYC
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Exactly, and those lines of longitude (82.5W,97.5W,112.5W) are pretty close to the lines I drew.

Time zones are not about getting a late sunset, for the umpteenth time, they were designed to get solar noon as close to clock noon as possible for the majority of the year (1pm during Daylight Savings Time)
Not really. While it would be bad to have time zones really far from solar noon, there's a common pattern of setting time zones to favor late solar noon over early solar noon, which many find annoying. I doubt most people care if they have the closest possible match to solar noon, what's the benefit?
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Old 09-17-2016, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Not really. While it would be bad to have time zones really far from solar noon, there's a common pattern of setting time zones to favor late solar noon over early solar noon, which many find annoying. I doubt most people care if they have the closest possible match to solar noon, what's the benefit?
I have a problem with posters on here, who seem to want solar noon so late, that sunrise won't be until 8:30-9am in winter, and with a 10:30pm sunset in summer. There are places that currently get close to this with the current boundaries, and it is unacceptable to me anyways
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Old 09-17-2016, 09:00 PM
 
Location: northern Vermont - previously NM, WA, & MA
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Maine should be moved to Atlantic Time (1 hr later than Eastern Time)
Not just Maine but perhaps all of New England? Some in Massachusetts would like to see the state moved to the Atlantic time zone (same time zone as Nova Scotia and the Eastern Caribbean islands).

https://www.bostonglobe.com/business...s2O/story.html

Boston Time Zone Change: Massachusetts May Abandon Daylight Saving Time For More Hours Of Sunlight

The consensus is generally because New England is so far north and east, winter sunsets are too early. They also want to adopt the Arizona policy of no DST. Though some don't like the idea as many businesses in Boston would prefer to remain in the same time zone as NYC for practicality.
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Old 09-17-2016, 09:09 PM
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Location: Long Island / NYC
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I have a problem with posters on here, who seem to want solar noon so late, that sunrise won't be until 8:30-9am in winter, and with a 10:30pm sunset in summer. There are places that currently get close to this with the current boundaries, and it is unacceptable to me anyways
Im comparing with existing time zones, few if any places in the US have sunrise later than 8 am let alone 8;30 am. Changing the time zone back an hour in some borderline locations could be pre-4 pm sunsets in winter and sunrise close to 4 am in summer
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Old 09-17-2016, 09:45 PM
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Location: Ontario
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Not just Maine but perhaps all of New England? Some in Massachusetts would like to see the state moved to the Atlantic time zone (same time zone as Nova Scotia and the Eastern Caribbean islands).

https://www.bostonglobe.com/business...s2O/story.html

Boston Time Zone Change: Massachusetts May Abandon Daylight Saving Time For More Hours Of Sunlight

The consensus is generally because New England is so far north and east, winter sunsets are too early. They also want to adopt the Arizona policy of no DST. Though some don't like the idea as many businesses in Boston would prefer to remain in the same time zone as NYC for practicality.
Bingo.

I think that is a big reason, eastern time zone is a biggie, Boston is better
to be in sync with nearby eastern cities.

Important cities like NYC, DC, Atlanta, Miami, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh,
Toronto, Montreal, Detroit, are all on eastern time zone.

If New England was on Atlantic time, or abandoned DST, it would be a disadvantageous.
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Old 09-18-2016, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Im comparing with existing time zones, few if any places in the US have sunrise later than 8 am let alone 8;30 am. Changing the time zone back an hour in some borderline locations could be pre-4 pm sunsets in winter and sunrise close to 4 am in summer
Look at my table in one of the earlier posts, I showed places that would be at the Eastern ends of the redrawn boundaries, and the earliest sunrise got was about 4:45 or so way up north, and the early winter sunset only got as early as 3:50-3:55. There are places with pre-4pm sunsets NOW with the current boundaries

And there are currently places in IN,MI, the Dakotas and west TX as well as the Panhandle that have sunrise after 8am in the dead of winter
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Old 09-20-2016, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Mount Prospect, Illinois
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I think everything should stay the way it is, except maybe:

- Idaho to be in Pacific
- More of Texas to be in Mountain
- All of Indiana to switch to Central
- Florida's Panhadle to Eastern
- Maine, New Hampshire, eastern Massachusetts, Rhode Island to switch to Atlantic
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Old 09-20-2016, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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I think everything should stay the way it is, except maybe:

- Idaho to be in Pacific
- More of Texas to be in Mountain
- All of Indiana to switch to Central
- Florida's Panhadle to Eastern
- Maine, New Hampshire, eastern Massachusetts, Rhode Island to switch to Atlantic
Why move FL's panhandle to Eastern Time when it's geographically in Central Time AND due south of Alabama which is in Central Time?
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