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Old 02-27-2017, 04:28 AM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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If Michigan is too far west then the back half of Georgia should be redrawn too. On an east/west longitude Atlanta falls almost in the center of Michigan which makes it statistically closer to Grand Rapids than Detroit.

Detroit 92 miles east of Atlanta which is 88 miles east of Grand Rapids. Perhaps the problem is not that Michigan is too far west, but rather that parts of New England are too far east.
They are both too far west technically, but I would keep Georgia in Eastern time due to economic ties with North Carolina and Florida, while Michigan as well as Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky can be in Central Time like they should with links to Chicago, Nashville, Memphis and St Louis
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Old 02-27-2017, 06:30 AM
 
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It has to happen somewhere.
Yes, there has to be a border. No, it does not need to be in the middle of a major metropolitan area that hundreds of thousands of people commute in to and out of daily. Even now, the furtherst flung stop on Chicago's commuter rail line, South Bend, is in the ETZ... admittedly, though, that is a 2 hour drive made faster by the trains so it is maybe still a valid point to draw such a line.
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Old 02-27-2017, 06:44 AM
 
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They are both too far west technically, but I would keep Georgia in Eastern time due to economic ties with North Carolina and Florida, while Michigan as well as Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky can be in Central Time like they should with links to Chicago, Nashville, Memphis and St Louis
Michigan's largest trading partner is Ontario and much of the local economy is based on Great Lakes trade with Canada. You can't just consider domestic trade in this issue.
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Old 02-27-2017, 07:06 AM
 
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Yes, there has to be a border. No, it does not need to be in the middle of a major metropolitan area that hundreds of thousands of people commute in to and out of daily. Even now, the furtherst flung stop on Chicago's commuter rail line, South Bend, is in the ETZ... admittedly, though, that is a 2 hour drive made faster by the trains so it is maybe still a valid point to draw such a line.
Technically it's not in the middle of a major metropolitan area. The 5 counties that make up the Indiana portion of the Chicago metropolitan area ARE in CST. I'm not sure why the impression of this board seems to be otherwise.
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Old 02-27-2017, 08:20 AM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Technically it's not in the middle of a major metropolitan area. The 5 counties that make up the Indiana portion of the Chicago metropolitan area ARE in CST. I'm not sure why the impression of this board seems to be otherwise.
I think people got to talking about this map which proposes all of Indiana on eastern, and the H*ll with the people in NW IN who work in Illinois.

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This is the best time zone proposal map of United States yet:
https://i.redd.it/c0qust59mocx.png
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Old 02-27-2017, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Technically it's not in the middle of a major metropolitan area. The 5 counties that make up the Indiana portion of the Chicago metropolitan area ARE in CST. I'm not sure why the impression of this board seems to be otherwise.
I would honestly put all of Ontario west of ON 400 in Central Time as well, so Windsor, Slt Ste Marie and Thunder Bay would all move to Central Time. And Greater Toronto and Sudbury would be at the western end of the Eastern Time Zone. I would include Hamilton and Burlington in Eastern Time
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Old 02-27-2017, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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Michigan is awfully west to be in EST.. i think the entire state belongs in CST.
not just that but the dirty Eastern TZ up in the UP is practically touching Duluth, that won't do at all
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:11 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Why move FL's panhandle to Eastern Time when it's geographically in Central Time AND due south of Alabama which is in Central Time?
Let's just give that land to Alabama and call it a day, okay?
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Somewhere extremely awesome
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They are both too far west technically, but I would keep Georgia in Eastern time due to economic ties with North Carolina and Florida, while Michigan as well as Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky can be in Central Time like they should with links to Chicago, Nashville, Memphis and St Louis
Honestly, whether Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, etc. are in Eastern or Central time zones doesn't make much of a difference in regards to trade. Most business interactions are relatively local anyhow. And if a business in Michigan/Ohio/Indiana had a conference call with a company in Illinois and a company in New York, you'd still have to deal with not everybody being in the same time zone.
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Old 03-01-2017, 04:13 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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Keep in Mind too that Detroit Michigan is actually Geographically east of Atlanta. So parts of Ohio would pretty much be in the Atlantic if you were to shift it straight south. I don't think it would make sense to put it in central. Looking straight on at a paper map doesn't always give the correct impression.
I do know people in Michigan value thier daylight lasting till 10 pm in the summer and they have that simply because they are in the wrong time zone. Originally Michigan and Indiana were central, however they were moved into the easter zone for economic reasons. People over the years have gotten used to the daylight lasting much longer than it should during the warmer months, there is no way they would want it put back the way it really should be. I was just up there this past June, you could see twilight in the western sky at 1020 pm and people up there very much like it that way.
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