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Old 07-25-2016, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Research Triangle Area, NC
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I know that, but I was referring to the winter months, to the people who wanted to stay on Daylight time year round to get later winter sunsets. The daylength in Phoenix is 1 hour longer than Rochester in Dec and 1 hour shorter in June, so I know. It seems the sweetspot to get decent days in winter without too short days in summer is between 33-35 latitude. For example at 26 north, Miami and Brownsville, TX manage 10:40 minute days in Dec, but only 13:20 days in June
Move Rochester, NY to central time...heck move it to mountain time!
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Old 07-25-2016, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Move Rochester, NY to central time...heck move it to mountain time!
Where did the motivation for this ridiculous post come from? I am keeping the state of NY in Eastern Time 😑
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Old 07-26-2016, 03:56 PM
 
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But again, Bullhead City and Laughlin are in the same country, Detroit and Windsor are in different countries, you would need a green card, work permit and visa to live in one and work in the other!
Many do that. But it's not just about working and living in one or the other. It's the amount of interaction between the two cities. You think people want to go to clubs or bars in Windsor and then have to leave an hour early? BTW, is Atlanta according to your setup moving to the Central Time Zone? If not, why Detroit and not Atlanta when Detroit is further east?
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Old 07-26-2016, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Many do that. But it's not just about working and living in one or the other. It's the amount of interaction between the two cities. You think people want to go to clubs or bars in Windsor and then have to leave an hour early? BTW, is Atlanta according to your setup moving to the Central Time Zone? If not, why Detroit and not Atlanta when Detroit is further east?
The entire state of Georgia is staying in Eastern Time, and reread earlier sections, I've explained it 10 times already!
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Old 07-26-2016, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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This is a hand drawn map with my lines to give a visual idea

http://www.city-data.com/forum/attac...3&d=1469578471
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I think timezone boundaries should be redrawn....-20160726_181302.jpg  
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Old 07-26-2016, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Here are examples of places that will have changed time zones with this setup:

Atlantic Time

Eastport, ME- Dec 21 8:03/4:49 Mar 21 7:29/7:41
Jun 21 5:42/9:18 Sep 23 7:16/7:24
Portland, ME- Dec 21 8:11/5:07 Mar 21 7:42/7:54
Jun 21 5:59/9:26 Sep 23 7:29/7:37

Central Time

Cleveland- Dec 21 6:50/4:00 Mar 21 6:28/6:39
Jun 21 4:53/8:04 Sep 23 6:15/6:23
Columbus- Dec 21 6:50/4:10 Mar 21 6:34/6:45
Jun 21 5:03/8:04 Sep 23 6:21/6:28
Cincinnati- Dec 21 6:54/4:18 Mar 21 6:40/6:51
Jun 21 5:12/8:07 Sep 23 6:27/6:34
Detroit- Dec 21 6:58/4:03 Mar 21 6:34/6:45
Jun 21 4:56/8:13 Sep 23 6:21/6:29
Slt Ste Marie- Dec 21 7:18/3:52 Mar 21 6:38/6:51
Jun 21 4:44/8:34 Sep 23 6:25/6:34
Indianapolis- Dec 21 7:02/4:23 Mar 21 6:46/6:57
Jun 21 5:17/8:16 Sep 23 6:33/6:41
Lexington- Dec 21 6:50/4:21 Mar 21 6:40/6:50
Jun 21 5:15/8:04 Sep 23 6:26/6:34
Louisville- Dec 21 6:56/4:26 Mar 21 6:45/6:55
Jun 21 5:20/8:10 Sep 23 6:32/6:39
Knoxville- Dec 21 6:42/4:25 Mar 21 6:38/6:48
Jun 21 5:19/7:56 Sep 23 6:25/6:32

Mountain Time

Laredo- Dec 21 6:24/4:48 Mar 21 6:41/6:50
Jun 21 5:43/7:36 Sep 23 6:26/6:36
Abilene- Dec 21 6:37/4:37 Mar 21 6:41/6:51
Jun 21 5:32/7:49 Sep 23 6:28/6:35
Midland- Dec 21 6:45/4:48 Mar 21 6:51/7:00
Jun 21 5:43/7:58 Sep 23 6:37/6:44
Lubbock- Dec 21 6:48/4:43 Mar 21 6:50/7:00
Jun 21 5:38/8:01 Sep 23 6:36/6:43
Amarillo- Dec 21 6:52/4:39 Mar 21 6:49/6:59
Jun 21 5:33/8:05 Sep 23 6:36/6:43
Guymon,OK- Dec 21 6:55/4:33 Mar 21 6:48/6:58
Jun 21 5:28/8:08 Sep 23 6:35/6:42
Garden City,KS- Dec 21 6:56/4:27 Mar 21 6:45/6:56
Jun 21 5:21/8:09 Sep 23 6:32/6:40
North Platte- Dec 21 7:05/4:17 Mar 21 6:45/6:56
Jun 21 5:11/8:19 Sep 23 6:32/6:39
Pierre*- Dec 21 7:14/4:05 Mar 21 6:43/6:54
Jun 21 4:57/8:29 Sep 23 6:30/6:38
*=currently on border, neighboring Ft Pierre,SD IS currently in Mountain Time
Bismarck- Dec 21 7:25/3:57 Mar 21 6:44/6:57
Jun 21 4:49/8:41 Sep 23 6:31/6:40
Minot- Dec 21 7:33/3:53 Mar 21 6:49/6:59
Jun 21 4:45/8:49 Sep 23 6:33/6:42

Pacific Time

Phoenix*- Dec 21 6:28/4:24 Mar 21 6:31/6:40
Jun 21 5:19/7:41 Sep 23 6:17/6:24
*=due to AZ not observing DST outside of Navajo Res, Phoenix is de facto in Pacific Time currently from Second Sunday in March to First Sunday in November
Salt Lake City- Dec 21 6:48/4:03 Mar 21 6:29/6:40
Jun 21 4:56/8:03 Sep 23 6:16/6:24
Pocatello- Dec 21 6:57/3:58 Mar 21 6:31/6:43
Jun 21 4:51/8:12 Sep 23 6:18/6:26
Boise- Dec 21 7:15/4:11 Mar 21 6:46/6:58
Jun 21 5:04/8:30 Sep 23 6:33/6:41
Butte- Dec 21 7:09/3:47 Mar 21 6:31/6:43
Jun 21 4:39/8:24 Sep 23 6:18/6:27
Missoula- Dec 21 7:18/3:50 Mar 21 6:37/6:49
Jun 21 4:42/8:34 Sep 23 6:24/6:33
Kalispell- Dec 21 7:25/3:46 Mar 21 6:38/6:51
Jun 21 4:37/8:41 Sep 23 6:25/6:34
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Old 07-30-2016, 10:32 AM
 
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Actually it does. Bullhead City, AZ/Laughlin, NV. Because AZ is in Mountain Time from Nov-Feb, and most of the workers in Laughlin live in Bullhead City, for those 17 weeks/year, those people gain an hour going to work, and lose it when they go home.

Anyways, Windsor and Detroit are in different countries, so I don't see that issue happening there


Heck...who cares what happens to Windsor when sunset is at 4:05 PM? Once everybody hangs themselves because it's pitch dark at 5:00, it won't make much difference.
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Old 07-30-2016, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Heck...who cares what happens to Windsor when sunset is at 4:05 PM? Once everybody hangs themselves because it's pitch dark at 5:00, it won't make much difference.
Oh no, it will be dark at 5, are you serious? Everyone in the eastern half of time zones gets a pre 5 pm sunset that time of year! So you'd rather it still be dark at 8 in the morning?
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Old 07-30-2016, 11:41 AM
 
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Oh no, it will be dark at 5, are you serious? Everyone in the eastern half of time zones gets a pre 5 pm sunset that time of year! So you'd rather it still be dark at 8 in the morning?
Ever hear of dawn, dusk?


At latitude 40, Nov -Dec-early-Jan it's a good 40 minutes. Late Dec, in Detroit, the sun rises at 8:05 AM. But it's light out at 7:30. Perfect for K-9 kiddies to head for school if they have to that early [frankly, I'd run away]. And btw, I climbed on my bus to HS, most semesters, at 6:30 AM, pitch dark. I was never worse for the wear. In fact, I eventually wound up getting 4 degrees - all STEM, probably because I "growed up" doing that [if its school kids you're worried about]. The East coasters waste at least an hour of daylight in the morning only to come home in the dark. Ugh! I guess you just work & go home and go to sleep.
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Old 07-30-2016, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Ever hear of dawn, dusk?


At latitude 40, Nov -Dec-early-Jan it's a good 40 minutes. Late Dec, in Detroit, the sun rises at 8:05 AM. But it's light out at 7:30. Perfect for K-9 kiddies to head for school if they have to that early [frankly, I'd run away]. And btw, I climbed on my bus to HS, most semesters, at 6:30 AM, pitch dark. I was never worse for the wear. In fact, I eventually wound up getting 4 degrees - all STEM, probably because I "growed up" doing that [if its school kids you're worried about]. The East coasters waste at least an hour of daylight in the morning only to come home in the dark. Ugh! I guess you just work & go home and go to sleep.
NYC, LA and Chicago all have sunset in the 4's in December. I grew up with a 4:35 sunset in December in Rochester, NY. It's not some wild idea. Anywho, most people are indoors in winter anyways, due to crummy weather
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