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Old 07-30-2016, 01:38 PM
 
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NYC, LA and Chicago all have sunset in the 4's in December. I grew up with a 4:35 sunset in December in Rochester, NY. It's not some wild idea. Anywho, most people are indoors in winter anyways, due to crummy weather
Crummy weather? LA?
Crummy weather AND pitch dark at 5 o'clock? I'd jump off a cliff.


BTW - Rochester? what ever happened to the world people thingee (looked like a mobile) that hung in that mall? Remember that?
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Old 07-30-2016, 02:14 PM
 
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Crummy weather? LA?
Crummy weather AND pitch dark at 5 o'clock? I'd jump off a cliff.


BTW - Rochester? what ever happened to the world people thingee (looked like a mobile) that hung in that mall? Remember that?
Well, that's you. Half the US sees dark by 5 in December and I don't see suicide in droves ffs!

It's just a consequence of being that far north that gives you short days in the winter. 43 North sees a 9 hr day Dec 21, 33 North sees a 10 hr day on Dec 21, 26 North sees 10 hr 40 min day Dec 21.

And furthermore, timezones were designed to have solar noon as close to 12pm local time as possible for the majority of the year. They weren't designed around a 5-5:30 sunset on the winter solstice!!
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Old 07-30-2016, 08:18 PM
 
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This is a hand drawn map with my lines to give a visual idea

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Dude, you've made your opinion known.

Most people in Indiana, Michigan, and Ohio (that are on Eastern time) want to stay on Eastern Time.

Being from Michigan, the only real advantage I could think of to being on Central Time over Eastern Time is that it would be the same time as Chicago, which is an important regional hub. But that's about it, and I don't think it's really worth changing.

I get the sense that you really want the eastern Midwest detached from the Northeast as much as possible for some reason. I don't get the obsession.
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Old 07-30-2016, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Dude, you've made your opinion known.

Most people in Indiana, Michigan, and Ohio (that are on Eastern time) want to stay on Eastern Time.

Being from Michigan, the only real advantage I could think of to being on Central Time over Eastern Time is that it would be the same time as Chicago, which is an important regional hub. But that's about it, and I don't think it's really worth changing.

I get the sense that you really want the eastern Midwest detached from the Northeast as much as possible for some reason. I don't get the obsession.
It's because of Longitude. When time zones were created, it was to make solar noon as close to clock noon as possible throughout the year in given locales. And these zones are centered on every 15 of longitude going 7.5 each direction from the center. Concessions are made for business reasons, but some are just too much. As I stated earlier, just using longitude alone, the western boundary of Eastern Time/eastern boundary of Central Time SHOULD be 82.5W, which cuts through the middle of Ohio (east of Columbus) and is east of the entire state of Michigan, as well as Indiana by default. 9/10th's of KY and TN are west of this line as well. And as I stated at one point, Terre Haute, IN is at almost 90 which is supposed to be the geographic CENTER of Central Time yet is still in Eastern Time, which puts solar noon close to 2 in the afternoon in June, that is the issue.
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Old 07-31-2016, 07:50 AM
 
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Putting east Tennessee on Central time would create problems for Chattanooga, which is on the Georgia border and has large connections to Atlanta (it's closer to Atlanta than it is to Nashville). I think that region should stay Eastern.

I do agree with some instances though. Western Indiana should not be in eastern time and that one county in extreme eastern Oregon should not be in mountain time. Way too far west IMO.
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Old 07-31-2016, 02:55 PM
 
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It's because of Longitude. When time zones were created, it was to make solar noon as close to clock noon as possible throughout the year in given locales. And these zones are centered on every 15 of longitude going 7.5 each direction from the center. Concessions are made for business reasons, but some are just too much. As I stated earlier, just using longitude alone, the western boundary of Eastern Time/eastern boundary of Central Time SHOULD be 82.5W, which cuts through the middle of Ohio (east of Columbus) and is east of the entire state of Michigan, as well as Indiana by default. 9/10th's of KY and TN are west of this line as well. And as I stated at one point, Terre Haute, IN is at almost 90 which is supposed to be the geographic CENTER of Central Time yet is still in Eastern Time, which puts solar noon close to 2 in the afternoon in June, that is the issue.


OK smarty pants.


NO LOOKING IT UP: What is the date of the earliest sunset and latest sunrise in Rochester, NY? No looking!


(btw, after you said sunset in Rochester at 4:30-something, I changed my mind. The DST all year is now extended to the western boundary of PA and includes ALL of NY! enjoy!)
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:32 PM
 
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OK smarty pants.


NO LOOKING IT UP: What is the date of the earliest sunset and latest sunrise in Rochester, NY? No looking!


(btw, after you said sunset in Rochester at 4:30-something, I changed my mind. The DST all year is now extended to the western boundary of PA and includes ALL of NY! enjoy!)
Get lost, this is my thread, no hijacking
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Old 07-31-2016, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Queen Creek, AZ
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I disagree with putting the entire state of Arizona in Pacific time, since most of the state is geographically within the natural boundaries of the Mountain Time Zone except for some far western cities such as Yuma or Bullhead City. I currently like the status quo with year-round MST. The sun would set way too early if we were to observe Pacific Standard Time in the winter.
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Old 07-31-2016, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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I disagree with putting the entire state of Arizona in Pacific time, since most of the state is geographically within the natural boundaries of the Mountain Time Zone except for some far western cities such as Yuma or Bullhead City. I currently like the status quo with year-round MST. The sun would set way too early if we were to observe Pacific Standard Time in the winter.
Actually, 112.5W would be the natural boundary between the two time zones not considering political boundaries, and that goes right through the West Valley, plus we are already de facto in Pacific Time during Mar-Oct anyways. Plus, I still excluded the Navajo res, due to it being in 4 states

And our earliest sunset with year round Pacific Time would be 4:20pm during the first week of December. In early November, sunset would be around 4:35, and in early March right before Daylight Time, Sunset would be around 5:20-5:25. It would only put us 16 mins earlier than Palm Springs&Indio for the times. Not that crazy, plus we would get nice early sunrises, sunrise in early November would be around 5:50, our latest sunrise would be 6:33 in January, and sunrise in early March would be around 5:50 again
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Old 07-31-2016, 09:00 PM
 
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This is the best time zone proposal map of United States yet:
https://i.redd.it/c0qust59mocx.png
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