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Old 07-24-2016, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Canda you don't have freedom of speech
I'm not sure why you think that.

As far as human freedoms are concerned, the United States ranks 20th in the world.

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The United States fell from 17th place in 2008 to 20th place in 2012. The decline reflects a long-term drop in every category of economic freedom and in its rule of law indicators. The U.S. performance is worrisome and shows that the United States can no longer claim to be the leading bastion of liberty in the world. In addition to the expansion of the regulatory state and drop in economic freedom, the war on terror, the war on drugs, and the erosion of property rights due to greater use of eminent domain all likely have contributed to the U.S. decline.
New Human Freedom Index, U.S. Ranks 20th | Cato @ Liberty
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Old 07-24-2016, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Lubec, ME
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I'm not sure why you think that.

As far as human freedoms are concerned, the United States ranks 20th in the world.



New Human Freedom Index, U.S. Ranks 20th | Cato @ Liberty
CATO is a Libertarian think-tank. It will never be as free as they want it to be. Not to disparage Libertarians but they have a lean.
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Old 07-24-2016, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Canada
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CATO is a Libertarian think-tank. It will never be as free as they want it to be. Not to disparage Libertarians but they have a lean.
"The Freedom Index is included as part of the book Towards a Worldwide Index of Human Freedom, written by 13 academics and economists from Canada (Fraser Institute), the United States (Cato Institute, Emory University), Germany (Liberales Institut, Goethe-University Frankfurt am Main), and Russia (Institute of Economic Analysis)."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inde...m_in_the_World
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Old 07-24-2016, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Lubec, ME
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"The Freedom Index is included as part of the book Towards a Worldwide Index of Human Freedom, written by 13 academics and economists from Canada (Fraser Institute), the United States (Cato Institute, Emory University), Germany (Liberales Institut, Goethe-University Frankfurt am Main), and Russia (Institute of Economic Analysis)."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inde...m_in_the_World
There are 15000 economists by profession in the US alone.

The index apparently also weighs heavily with regard to "the war on drugs".
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Old 07-24-2016, 02:47 PM
 
Location: KCMO
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The OP is Canadian
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Old 07-24-2016, 05:03 PM
 
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I think one great thing about America is that even tho some people are tying to shun it, it's that we have freedom of speech. Everyone brags about it and uses it! America is having some rough times now but it is still great. Best country idk? But close if not the best! And to those of you who say it isn't the best country in the world than what country is? Canda, Scandinavian countries? They have some pretty crazy liberal things that make it unlike able to me. Canda you don't have freedom of speech, Scandinavia has too high of taxes and is too PC. The bad thing about the US is that there's lots of poverty and there's a growing number of crazy liberals that seem to be taking over everything specifically free speech (Twitter, Facebook, Main TV stations work with president, and recently got caught working with Hillary Clinton to get rid of Bernie). And American cities are too pricy but besides that I'm not sure what else is bad maybe too many people/lots of crazy people too.
WHAATT???? Those crazy liberal things are what make a society good. When its people are taken care of and live comfortably, a country is successful. We have extreme poverty and subpar human services. Our governments poison our drinking supply, we have gun laws that Somalia probably looks up to, we have a terrible health insurance system, etc.

Also, maybe if you spelled Canada right, you would be able to do better research on the country. Canada is probably the epitome of freedom right now. They have tons of freedom of speech, more than the US does. And if Trump wins, there goes freedom of the press as he already is banning reporters from his speeches.

As for taxes, yeah Scandinavian countries pay more taxes, but they get A LOT out of them, unlike the US where it all goes to military spending and CEO buyouts and oil company subsidizations.
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Old 07-24-2016, 05:26 PM
 
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The OP is Canadian
What's your point?
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Old 07-24-2016, 05:30 PM
 
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WHAATT???? Those crazy liberal things are what make a society good. When its people are taken care of and live comfortably, a country is successful. We have extreme poverty and subpar human services. Our governments poison our drinking supply, we have gun laws that Somalia probably looks up to, we have a terrible health insurance system, etc.

Also, maybe if you spelled Canada right, you would be able to do better research on the country. Canada is probably the epitome of freedom right now. They have tons of freedom of speech, more than the US does. And if Trump wins, there goes freedom of the press as he already is banning reporters from his speeches.

As for taxes, yeah Scandinavian countries pay more taxes, but they get A LOT out of them, unlike the US where it all goes to military spending and CEO buyouts and oil company subsidizations.
What kind of "extreme poverty"? Can you backup with facts that the government poisons the water supply?

Canada is not. I am not sure what news engine you get your ideas from but I live here and it is far from it. There are criminal sentences in this country simply for uttering something that may be taken as a racist jibe.

Lol. No offense, but Americans have no right to complain about taxes lol. Of all the developed countries you guys still spend the least in taxes.
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Old 07-24-2016, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Economical - the ability the get the highest returns from any venture or opportunities. The abundance of opportunities. The availability of the planet's top higher educational institutions. The availability of the planet's most diverse and skilled workforce. The availability and support of the American government in private businesses and fostering environments where these businesses can succeed.

In America, when you work hard, the opportunities and returns that are available to you are greater than anywhere else on the planet. The average American has more disposable income and purchasing power than people of anywhere else on the planet; this core foundational value remains in place for American businesses, American organizations, and other American ventures.

Educational institutions - America's higher learning institutions are the best on Earth. There is a reason why most American kids are accustomed to being joined by overseas students in their colleges than overseas kids seeing Americans join them in their institutions. Two words: academic excellence and America has the most of it. The NIH and other government institutions dole out more funding for research and development to American higher learning institutions than any other country on the planet does.

Living environment - Americans are accustomed to having choices. Yes, for the most part, whether urban or suburban, most American housing styles are generic. A rowhome in an average city with rowhomes has no distinction between it and the rowhome at the start of the street of rowhomes. They are essentially the same thing; same color, same style, same offerings, same advantages, same everything. No distinction between what you live in and what your neighbors live in. This is true in other types of "urban dwellings" in America too, particularly multifamily units that are comprised of the "new urbanist style". Personally speaking, I cannot ever tell these apart. The ones in Charlotte might as well be the ones in Seattle or Pittsburgh or Buffalo or San Diego or Phoenix or Austin or Madison or where ever. Finally, suburbia - the widely discussed "McMansions" are generic. They are cookie cutter and lack any authenticity or style whatsoever.

At the end of the day, America and the world in general just isn't building housing the way it was in centuries of the past. It isn't feasible nor an economical policy that can succeed, spending costs on construction would outweigh the returns offered. So those generally aren't built.

That being said, despite being absolutely cookie cutter, generic, bland, soulless, and absolutely indistinguishable as a whole compared to housing stock in some inner European cities - the American housing units offer far more value for practical day-to-day living.

Forget about the exterior aesthetics, which while absolutely generic as hell, aren't repetitive hellholish commie blocks that you see in China, Russia, Iran, Egypt, among several other countries. The American housing offers lots of space than overseas counterparts, offers more appliances and features, offers a more comfortable and practical first world living, and offers the outdoors space necessary for people to develop hobbies that include gardening and the like.

This is why immigrants flood into the United States, even though it is generic as hell, the housing available in America is the most desirable and comfortable in the world as a place to live in. Plus are fairly priced compared to what you pay and actually get elsewhere overseas.

Individualism - In America people get more personal space. I've lived in 4 countries in 3 different continents throughout my life. Each one absolutely different from the other 3. In one of the countries that I lived in, myself and my family never did anything really; we had butlers that washed our clothes, made food for us, drove our car (my mum didn't know how to drive till she moved to America), ran errands for us, fixed things around the house for us, carried our bags for us and stuff like that. They were paid to do these things and generally they lived with us in our home, we had rooms for them.

In America, generally speaking, the super grand majority of the people live individual lives and are granted more personal space and privacy. Your affairs at home aren't everyone's business as they typically are in most foreign countries. Yes, you have to do everything by yourself, but that instills skills and allows a person to become more independent which is a plus in the increasingly globalized world.

Diversity - The best part of America as a whole. America is not restrictive to diversity from anywhere. It and its cities and states get immigrants from all of the far reaching areas of the planet. Not a continent on the planet goes a year without sending lots of immigrants to America. This makes America even more different than other countries in the world that are "diverse" or "melting pots" because they are more specifically aligned to immigration from one or two key continents and almost nothing else.

American cities, at least the truly diverse ones, truly are melting pots of cultures, values, ideas, and people from across the planet. Its amazing to see people from every part of the world live together in one place, to watch people from all corners of the planet succeed and be given the same treatment and opportunities as everyone else around them.
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Old 07-24-2016, 05:52 PM
 
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Economical - the ability the get the highest returns from any venture or opportunities. The abundance of opportunities. The availability of the planet's top higher educational institutions. The availability of the planet's most diverse and skilled workforce. The availability and support of the American government in private businesses and fostering environments where these businesses can succeed.

In America, when you work hard, the opportunities and returns that are available to you are greater than anywhere else on the planet. The average American has more disposable income and purchasing power than people of anywhere else on the planet; this core foundational value remains in place for American businesses, American organizations, and other American ventures.

Educational institutions - America's higher learning institutions are the best on Earth. There is a reason why most American kids are accustomed to being joined by overseas students in their colleges than overseas kids seeing Americans join them in their institutions. Two words: academic excellence and America has the most of it. The NIH and other government institutions dole out more funding for research and development to American higher learning institutions than any other country on the planet does.

Living environment - Americans are accustomed to having choices. Yes, for the most part, whether urban or suburban, most American housing styles are generic. A rowhome in an average city with rowhomes has no distinction between it and the rowhome at the start of the street of rowhomes. They are essentially the same thing; same color, same style, same offerings, same advantages, same everything. No distinction between what you live in and what your neighbors live in. This is true in other types of "urban dwellings" in America too, particularly multifamily units that are comprised of the "new urbanist style". Personally speaking, I cannot ever tell these apart. The ones in Charlotte might as well be the ones in Seattle or Pittsburgh or Buffalo or San Diego or Phoenix or Austin or Madison or where ever. Finally, suburbia - the widely discussed "McMansions" are generic. They are cookie cutter and lack any authenticity or style whatsoever.

At the end of the day, America and the world in general just isn't building housing the way it was in centuries of the past. It isn't feasible nor an economical policy that can succeed, spending costs on construction would outweigh the returns offered. So those generally aren't built.

That being said, despite being absolutely cookie cutter, generic, bland, soulless, and absolutely indistinguishable as a whole compared to housing stock in some inner European cities - the American housing units offer far more value for practical day-to-day living.

Forget about the exterior aesthetics, which while absolutely generic as hell, aren't repetitive hellholish commie blocks that you see in China, Russia, Iran, Egypt, among several other countries. The American housing offers lots of space than overseas counterparts, offers more appliances and features, offers a more comfortable and practical first world living, and offers the outdoors space necessary for people to develop hobbies that include gardening and the like.

This is why immigrants flood into the United States, even though it is generic as hell, the housing available in America is the most desirable and comfortable in the world as a place to live in. Plus are fairly priced compared to what you pay and actually get elsewhere overseas.

Individualism - In America people get more personal space. I've lived in 4 countries in 3 different continents throughout my life. Each one absolutely different from the other 3. In one of the countries that I lived in, myself and my family never did anything really; we had butlers that washed our clothes, made food for us, drove our car (my mum didn't know how to drive till she moved to America), ran errands for us, fixed things around the house for us, carried our bags for us and stuff like that. They were paid to do these things and generally they lived with us in our home, we had rooms for them.

In America, generally speaking, the super grand majority of the people live individual lives and are granted more personal space and privacy. Your affairs at home aren't everyone's business as they typically are in most foreign countries. Yes, you have to do everything by yourself, but that instills skills and allows a person to become more independent which is a plus in the increasingly globalized world.

Diversity - The best part of America as a whole. America is not restrictive to diversity from anywhere. It and its cities and states get immigrants from all of the far reaching areas of the planet. Not a continent on the planet goes a year without sending lots of immigrants to America. This makes America even more different than other countries in the world that are "diverse" or "melting pots" because they are more specifically aligned to immigration from one or two key continents and almost nothing else.

American cities, at least the truly diverse ones, truly are melting pots of cultures, values, ideas, and people from across the planet. Its amazing to see people from every part of the world live together in one place, to watch people from all corners of the planet succeed and be given the same treatment and opportunities as everyone else around them.
And the award for best answer goes to...

Really though, that's a brilliant response. The US is as close to perfect as any country has ever gotten. If you don't like it there you wont like it anywhere.

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