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Old 07-24-2016, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Historic West End
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Weapons, slavery, and the atomic bomb.
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Old 07-24-2016, 10:08 PM
 
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What kind of "extreme poverty"? Can you backup with facts that the government poisons the water supply?

Canada is not. I am not sure what news engine you get your ideas from but I live here and it is far from it. There are criminal sentences in this country simply for uttering something that may be taken as a racist jibe.

Lol. No offense, but Americans have no right to complain about taxes lol. Of all the developed countries you guys still spend the least in taxes.
Extreme poverty
Living on $2 a day: Exploring extreme poverty in America | PBS NewsHour
National Poverty Center | University of Michigan

Michigan governor poisoned people to save a buck
Flint Water Crisis - NBC News
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_water_crisis

Freedom of Speech/Press/etc.
https://rsf.org/en/ranking

We were far behind in passing gay marriage. Physician-assisted suicide is mostly illegal still. We're still debating abortion rights. The entire GOP is turning back to the KKK and Trump was endorsed by the KKK. The GOP also dislikes anyone that's not Christian. Women are paid unfairly. We don't have maternity/paternity leave when basically every single other country on earth does, including communist countries. Our healthcare system forces people to sometimes choose between massive debt and just simply living.

As for taxes, yeah we pay less in taxes, but we pay out of pocket for plenty of other stuff. Instead of paying a tax for health insurance, we pay out of pocket more than the normal cost would be as a government tax. Instead of paying taxes to support college education, we instead force young people, the future of this country, to go massively into debt, sometimes accruing several hundred thousand dollars of debt just to get an education. I'd rather pay more taxes and end up paying less in the long run to not worry about going into debt because of illness, or, most importantly, not have to go into debt simply to be educated.

We're basically the last country on earth denying global climate change exists and not doing a damn thing about it because it might hurt business interests. We're systematically allowing big corporations to pollute the world in order to keep profits up for the next few years or decades or whatever. But when there is no oxygen to breathe, our coastal cities are below water, our forests are completely depleted, etc., what will US corporate profits have meant to us? Absolutely nothing. We have media lying to people telling them that solar power doesn't work here because the US doesn't get as much sunlight as Germany.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe3vxu9vxAQ

They also have other "experts" arguing against wind power because it creates global warming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSO6o6urrIM

We have the highest firearm death rate of any modern nation.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-...her-countries/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate
The only countries worse off than us are Honduras (huge gang/drug violence problem), Venezuela (communist dictatorship on the verge of collapse with terrible poverty), Swaziland, Guatemala (typical Central American drug/gang violence), Jamaica, El Salvador (same as other CA), Colombia (Pablo Escobar...hello...still big on the drug trade down there outside of Bogota and Medellin and still poor outside them too), Brazil (developing nation known for violence and poverty), Panama, and Uruguay.
Mexico is actually after us but we think it's so scary and violent there.

Are we the worst country? No. But we're far from the best. Sorry.
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Old 07-24-2016, 10:16 PM
 
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And the award for best answer goes to...

Really though, that's a brilliant response. The US is as close to perfect as any country has ever gotten. If you don't like it there you wont like it anywhere.
It's only the best answer for you because it's exactly what you wanted to hear. The US is a great country, but it's far from perfect. No country is perfect. They all have flaws in one way or another and not every country appeals to every person.
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Old 07-24-2016, 10:37 PM
 
Location: KCMO
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What's your point?
This: The thread is based on a false premise that is wide open for criticism. I rarely ever hear such praise of the USA even from Americans. I have never heard it from a Canadian until now...

just seems fishy...
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Old 07-24-2016, 11:58 PM
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Location: Miami
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Minorities.
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Old 07-25-2016, 04:25 AM
 
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See the list on the side of a box of hotpockets.
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Old 07-25-2016, 09:36 AM
 
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Well, it's been hard to be proud of this president and our government.

So, no, you haven't heard a lot of people say that we are "proud" to be Americans because a lot of us are completely ashamed at what our country has become.

We are still 'proud', but it a lot of ways, it's muted these days.

If we actually followed the constitution, then we'd be a lot freer than what we are now.

For a lot of politicians on the left and the right, freedom is a slogan, not an actual lifestyle.

I think that it's hilarious when people complain that America is too conservative because a lot of us really believe that because progressive/identity politics is what is killing our society.

In the end, what it comes down to is that pluralism used to be a cornerstone of our politics and society, but a lot of people on the hard-left/hard-right want to shut that down for various reasons.

That's why it's easy for me to say that we are less free than we were before 9-11-01.

We are reaching a dangerous point because young adults really don't know what it was like to live in a time where we weren't so militarized (police/overseas) because they were just kids when the 9-11 happened. Those of us who were adults during that horrific time and experienced the changes are simply livid that our freedoms have decreased and we feel powerless to change things. We used to have a lot more tolerance for dissent and other people/their ideas.

Our politics and language have become coarser since 9-11 and our culture hasn't changed for the better. That's why a lot more people are looking at Libertarian or 3rd parties these days. The choices that the mainstream parties offer are just awful and neither one will enact policies that will make us freer.

So, sadly, we aren't as free as we could be or were.

In many parts of society there isn't a "I may not like what you have to say, but I'll defend your right to say it" attitude these days.

It's just shocking to me that 20-30% of younger adults are really okay with banning people's speech if it's offensive.

That's just un-American for most of us in the Gen-X crowd. (And I'm barely Gen-X at 40).

I'm not optimistic about our future, but I still love America and what she has been and could be again.
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Old 07-25-2016, 10:00 AM
 
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Slavery and natural resources
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Old 07-25-2016, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Northern United States
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Extreme poverty
Living on $2 a day: Exploring extreme poverty in America | PBS NewsHour
National Poverty Center | University of Michigan

Michigan governor poisoned people to save a buck
Flint Water Crisis - NBC News
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_water_crisis

Freedom of Speech/Press/etc.
https://rsf.org/en/ranking

We were far behind in passing gay marriage. Physician-assisted suicide is mostly illegal still. We're still debating abortion rights. The entire GOP is turning back to the KKK and Trump was endorsed by the KKK. The GOP also dislikes anyone that's not Christian. Women are paid unfairly. We don't have maternity/paternity leave when basically every single other country on earth does, including communist countries. Our healthcare system forces people to sometimes choose between massive debt and just simply living.

As for taxes, yeah we pay less in taxes, but we pay out of pocket for plenty of other stuff. Instead of paying a tax for health insurance, we pay out of pocket more than the normal cost would be as a government tax. Instead of paying taxes to support college education, we instead force young people, the future of this country, to go massively into debt, sometimes accruing several hundred thousand dollars of debt just to get an education. I'd rather pay more taxes and end up paying less in the long run to not worry about going into debt because of illness, or, most importantly, not have to go into debt simply to be educated.

We're basically the last country on earth denying global climate change exists and not doing a damn thing about it because it might hurt business interests. We're systematically allowing big corporations to pollute the world in order to keep profits up for the next few years or decades or whatever. But when there is no oxygen to breathe, our coastal cities are below water, our forests are completely depleted, etc., what will US corporate profits have meant to us? Absolutely nothing. We have media lying to people telling them that solar power doesn't work here because the US doesn't get as much sunlight as Germany.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe3vxu9vxAQ

They also have other "experts" arguing against wind power because it creates global warming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSO6o6urrIM

We have the highest firearm death rate of any modern nation.
How U.S. gun deaths compare to other countries - CBS News
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate
The only countries worse off than us are Honduras (huge gang/drug violence problem), Venezuela (communist dictatorship on the verge of collapse with terrible poverty), Swaziland, Guatemala (typical Central American drug/gang violence), Jamaica, El Salvador (same as other CA), Colombia (Pablo Escobar...hello...still big on the drug trade down there outside of Bogota and Medellin and still poor outside them too), Brazil (developing nation known for violence and poverty), Panama, and Uruguay.
Mexico is actually after us but we think it's so scary and violent there.

Are we the worst country? No. But we're far from the best. Sorry.
This is filled with so many inaccuracies its not even funny. Did you know that there are other developed nations where people believe less in Global Warming than us and have more mass shootings per capita? Did you know that Murder rates have declined rapidly in the past 2 decades and we are considered to be in the lowest section of murder rates according to the UN?

I will give you some credit though because you do bring up some good points on healthcare and college.
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Old 07-25-2016, 06:36 PM
 
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So in other words it's just not liberal enough?
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