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View Poll Results: Which lake has the Best Cities
Ontario 18 29.51%
Erie 6 9.84%
Michigan 37 60.66%
Voters: 61. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-24-2016, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Chicago and Milwaukee are two of my favorite cities, and I like Chicago more than Toronto, so I voted Michigan.
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Old 07-24-2016, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Maybe on the shallower Southeast part of the lake, the the area around Toronto hardly cracks 60 because of persistent W/WNW winds blow the warm surface waters away to Toronto and the deep colder waters upwell.
As a result, the American Side is much warmer, sometimes close to 20 degrees different.
Erie is by far the warmest lake, but the cities near it seem to have the least "beachy" waterfront.
I can't blame them, until the late 80s/90s I don't think anyone would have wanted to swim anywhere near the mouth of the Cuyahoga River.
I was thinking about the main beach at Sandbanks Provincial Park, which stretches for several km, amd where the sandbar extends hundreds of meters out into the Lake in some places before it drops off to serious depths. The sandbar is ankle-deep in some places and 10-feet + in others, but the shallow water is heated by the sun in summer and by this time of year is as warm as a swimming pool. Gentle waves and white sand make it one of my favorite beaches anywhere (during the week, you practically have the place to yourself, but on weekends when it gets busy, hundreds of gorgeous women in bikinis doesn't exactly hurt the atmosphere, lol).

The water in Toronto harbor is quite cool, even in summer (I go paddleboarding in the harbour from time-to-time), but not too bad.

But you are correct about the eastern shores. I grew up spending much of my summers on the eastern (American) shores of Lake Ontario near Watertown and there are beautiful white sand beaches, with similar sandbars that extend a couple hundred meters out into the lake, with gentle waves and very warm water.
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Old 07-24-2016, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Rochester NY
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I was thinking about the main beach at Sandbanks Provincial Park, which stretches for several km, amd where the sandbar extends hundreds of meters out into the Lake in some places before it drops off to serious depths. The sandbar is ankle-deep in some places and 10-feet + in others, but the shallow water is heated by the sun in summer and by this time of year is as warm as a swimming pool. Gentle waves and white sand make it one of my favorite beaches anywhere (during the week, you practically have the place to yourself, but on weekends when it gets busy, hundreds of gorgeous women in bikinis doesn't exactly hurt the atmosphere, lol).

The water in Toronto harbor is quite cool, even in summer (I go paddleboarding in the harbour from time-to-time), but not too bad.

But you are correct about the eastern shores. I grew up spending much of my summers on the eastern (American) shores of Lake Ontario near Watertown and there are beautiful white sand beaches, with similar sandbars that extend a couple hundred meters out into the lake, with gentle waves and very warm water.
Where near Watertown? If you don't mind me asking. My wife is from Henderson Harbor and we've spent a lot of time in the water at Westcott beach and Wehle state park but my favorite is Southwick beach. Sackets harbor and Clayton are also two beautiful little towns a bit north.
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Old 07-24-2016, 06:20 PM
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Besides Chicago and Milwaukee, which cities or even noteworthy towns does Lake Michigan have on its shores?

Lake Ontario has 9 cities of 100,000+ people that I can think of (Golden Horseshoe Cities: Toronto: 2.8 million; Mississauga: 700,000; Oakville: 180,000; Burlington: 180,000; Hamilton: 500,000; St. Catherine's: 130,000; Oshawa: 140,000 ~ that's 7 cities with a total population of 4.6+ million people all in the Golden Horseshoe, with coastlines on Lake Ontario, with the two furthest being a 90-minute drive from each other). There is also Kingston with a population 128,000, that is 3 hours north of Toronto. On the American side, I guess I can't technically include Buffalo, because even though it has suburbs on Lake Ontario, the city is mostly oriented to Lake Erie. But there is Rochester, NY, with a population of 1 million. That is almost 6 million people in 9 cities, in two countries that have coastlines on Lake Ontario. There are dozens of cities with populations of <100,000 on both sides of the border on Lake Ontario.

In addition to the cities, Lake Ontario has numerous world-famous locations like Niagara Falls, Niagara-on-the-Lake, the Thousand Islands, and Prince Edward County (along with Niagara, PEC has become famous for its wines, especially in the UK).

Lake Michigan is beautiful, Chicago is a great city, Milwaukee is pretty decent, and there are great beaches and towns along the lake, but I don't know if Lake Michigan can claim the best cities of all the Great Lakes. But since this is an American-centric forum, I don't doubt many will disagree with me even if they've never visited either lake or the cities on them.

Yup...just as I thought, the poll already favours Lake Michigan, even with all cities and world-famous destinations I named on Lake Ontario. Sometimes this forum is just silly in its biases
Chicago MSA: 9.5 million people
Milwaukee MSA: 1.5 million people

There are Racine and Sheboygan, WI on the west shore, and St. Joseph, South Haven, Holland, North Shores and Muskegon, MI on the east shore, plus smaller towns all the way up the shore on the Michigan side, all the way to Mackinaw City. Not going to look up the populations of all those places. There are several national forests along the lake in Michigan, not to mention quirky Mackinac Island and a state forest.
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Old 07-24-2016, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, Commonwealth of Virginia
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Of course people on this forum will argue that Chicago is better than Toronto in every way, including many who have never been to Toronto, or who have never left Toronto's version of the Loop. This board is dominated by Americans, and most who have visited Toronto and have negative or "meh" opinions of it seem to have never ventured outside of the downtown, so of course it will seem like another large American city. If posters judged Chicago solely on the Loop, they would get laughed off the board, but people do it to Toronto all the time...just a boring, sterile, Anglo-American city May as well go to Montreal, where there is French culture (so unique!) or Vancouver, where there are mountains. I didn't know Francophone culture or mountains automatically made a city interesting, but on this forum, they seem to. At least when Toronto is concerned.

BTW, I voted for Lake Ontario because it has: Toronto (and all it's surrounding lake cities like Mississauga, Oakville, Burlington), Hamilton, Kingston, Prince Edward County, the Thousand Islands, Niagara-on-the-Lake, Niagara Falls, Buffalo, Rochester, and all the nice little towns on the eastern (American) side of the lake, like Watertown.
Dude, take a deep breath. Chicago is seen as better than Toronto because Chicago is better than Toronto. Please visit Chicago some day. It's my favorite city in the entire country! (including even New York)

And you're right. Montreal's French culture is very unique. And you can't find Vancouver's setting anywhere else. As for Toronto, there's nothing that Toronto offers that can't be found in the U.S. Which is why the city is 'meh' to most Americans. Don't take it personally.
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Old 07-24-2016, 06:48 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Besides Chicago and Milwaukee, which cities or even noteworthy towns does Lake Michigan have on its shores?

Lake Ontario has 9 cities of 100,000+ people that I can think of (Golden Horseshoe Cities: Toronto: 2.8 million; Mississauga: 700,000; Oakville: 180,000; Burlington: 180,000; Hamilton: 500,000; St. Catherine's: 130,000; Oshawa: 140,000 ~ that's 7 cities with a total population of 4.6+ million people all in the Golden Horseshoe, with coastlines on Lake Ontario, with the two furthest being a 90-minute drive from each other). There is also Kingston with a population 128,000, that is 3 hours north of Toronto. On the American side, I guess I can't technically include Buffalo, because even though it has suburbs on Lake Ontario, the city is mostly oriented to Lake Erie. But there is Rochester, NY, with a population of 1 million. That is almost 6 million people in 9 cities, in two countries that have coastlines on Lake Ontario. There are dozens of cities with populations of <100,000 on both sides of the border on Lake Ontario.

In addition to the cities, Lake Ontario has numerous world-famous locations like Niagara Falls, Niagara-on-the-Lake, the Thousand Islands, and Prince Edward County (along with Niagara, PEC has become famous for its wines, especially in the UK).

Lake Michigan is beautiful, Chicago is a great city, Milwaukee is pretty decent, and there are great beaches and towns along the lake, but I don't know if Lake Michigan can claim the best cities of all the Great Lakes. But since this is an American-centric forum, I don't doubt many will disagree with me even if they've never visited either lake or the cities on them.

Yup...just as I thought, the poll already favours Lake Michigan, even with all cities and world-famous destinations I named on Lake Ontario. Sometimes this forum is just silly in its biases
Lake Michigan is no lightweight when it comes to population. There's roughly 4 million people alone living between Chicago proper, all the cities and towns north of Chicago but south of Milwaukee on the lake, and Milwaukee proper. That's not counting those who live on the lake in Indiana, Michigan, or Wisconsin north of Milwaukee.
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Old 07-24-2016, 07:22 PM
 
Location: East Central Pennsylvania/ Chicago for 6yrs.
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Lake Michigan has the best cities on its shores, but Lake Superior is the best Great Lake.
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Old 07-24-2016, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Rochester is vastly underrated.
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Old 07-24-2016, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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I voted Lake Ontario. Toronto and Chicago are very similar but they have one major difference. In Chicago you are far more likely to get murdered, so Toronto is the nicer of the two. Getting murdered is kinda a deal breaker here, no contest. Both cities have spectacular skylines and lakefronts though. If Chicago could clean up its act it would stand as Toronto's equal.
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Old 07-24-2016, 11:28 PM
 
Location: Northern US
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Yea, I think you can argue about Chicago vs Toronto and which one better. But I do not think you could say that quality of life is better in Chicago than Toronto due to the crime and urban decay some areas of Chicago and some of it's suburbs like Gary and Harvey have.
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