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View Poll Results: Which lake has the Best Cities
Ontario 18 29.51%
Erie 6 9.84%
Michigan 37 60.66%
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Old 07-25-2016, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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I too voted for Superior because of Wawa and Beaver Bay
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Old 07-25-2016, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Rochester NY
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Rochester is vastly underrated.
I agree, the city has a lot to offer. Seems like every time upstate/western NY is brought up Buffalo is always mentioned but never Rochester even though they both have metros with a little over 1 million.
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Old 07-25-2016, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Brew City
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Lake Michigan looks pretty good from my office window right now .

It also looked good driving along the shore on my way in and from my living room window this morning.


As far as cities are concerned, it's a toss-up between Chicago and Toronto. Lake Michigan wins out just for being a better lake overall.


Plus there's Traverse City (one of my favorite places ever) and Old Mission and Leelanau Peninsulas. Plus my own Stonington Peninsula.
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Old 07-25-2016, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Lubec, ME
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I'd probably say Erie due to the number of population centers and its tradition as having some very old resort towns near Buffalo and Cleveland. The Canadian side is sparse but probably pretty clean.
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Old 07-25-2016, 09:38 AM
 
Location: East Central Pennsylvania/ Chicago for 6yrs.
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I voted Lake Ontario. Toronto and Chicago are very similar but they have one major difference. In Chicago you are far more likely to get murdered, so Toronto is the nicer of the two. Getting murdered is kinda a deal breaker here, no contest. Both cities have spectacular skylines and lakefronts though. If Chicago could clean up its act it would stand as Toronto's equal.
If White in Chicago you chance of being shot is still less then 4%....
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Yea, I think you can argue about Chicago vs Toronto and which one better. But I do not think you could say that quality of life is better in Chicago than Toronto due to the crime and urban decay some areas of Chicago and some of it's suburbs like Gary and Harvey have.
I think you meant to say quality of life better in Toronto? Some argue over health care being Tax funded in Canada as better in Canada as a whole? I'd much rather a Insurance system as I had in the 90s still? In it meant ALL medical cost were covered if you had insurance.... Once HMO's came out... It radicalized everything to a system of exclusions and co-pays and endless Plans with differing levels. THIS IS WHAT HURT THE HEALTHCARE IN THE US..... NOT QUALITY STILL THERE.

But as I say in comparing these cities and any NOTHERN US CITIES To Canadian or even US Sunbelt cities....
Canadian cities DID NOT HAVE TO ENDURE THE RADICAL RACIAL CHANGE OF NORTHERN US CITIES. Beginning in the 50s but becoming RADICAL THROUGH THE 60S into the 70s.

Heck by 1975 NYC was BANKRUPT, TIMES SQUARE...(called the crossroads of the world). Was basically a XXX district with open prostitution.... OUR CITIES HAD MAJOR DECLINES. NYC ALONE LOST 1 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE DECADE OF THE 70s + early 80s.

Chicago had its share of RADICAL SOUTHSIDE and WEST SIDE RACIAL CHANGE AND STRIFE. WHITE-FLIGHT was REAL. Crime, neighborhood declines to blighted areas in neglect, loss of wealth there and Rioting that occurred all resulting to LOSS OF VIBRANT HOUSING. The FAILED... ONCE NOTORIOUS GOVERNMENT HOUSING PROJECTS IN CHICAGO (now all gone...) added to crime and poverty.

Downtown Chicago had DECLINES TOO. State St. lost virtually ALL its Retail. Movie theaters showed XXX movies. But Big Business still built Skyscrapers to Commerce. Took till the 80s for REVERSAL OF DECLINES TO BEGIN DOWNTOWN. But MOST South and West side neighborhoods that virtually LOST ALL ITS WHITE POPULATIONS. Sadly remain with Gangland crime tactics and poverty levels.

Also a Great LATINO INFLUX to basically CHANGE CHICAGO to 1/3 white European Caucasian, 1/3 Latino including white classed Latinos and 1/3 African Americans Black. Other American cities also have had similar Racial make-up changes. Some more Latino.... some more African American.

TORONTO HAD NONE OF THIS. IT HAD SMOOTH GROWTH GREATLY OF MOSTLY PROFESSIONAL IMMIGRNTS TO CANADA. As Canada's immigration policy favors. The US move more that direction in Legal immigration. but THE ILLEGAL LEVEL DRASTICLLY left most immigrants low-skilled.

We All know how Detroit experienced the most overall Radical declines. Cleveland to Philly, Baltimore, DC, St Louis and others These cities STILL ALL SUFFER the effects of Radical change in the 60s 70s.
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Of course people on this forum will argue that Chicago is better than Toronto in every way, including many who have never been to Toronto, or who have never left Toronto's version of the Loop. This board is dominated by Americans, and most who have visited Toronto and have negative or "meh" opinions of it seem to have never ventured outside of the downtown, so of course it will seem like another large American city. If posters judged Chicago solely on the Loop, they would get laughed off the board, but people do it to Toronto all the time...just a boring, sterile, Anglo-American city
So when TORONTONIANS say LOOK AT US NOW. Beg for recognition. I say LOOK AT CHICAGO NOW and ITS COMEBACK OF ITS CORE and many vibrant neighborhoods too.

TORONTONIANS.... still declare BIAS when CHICAGO IS WINNING. There is more to why a city wins aspects then.... SIZE, NUMBER OF SKYSCRAPERS TO AMOUNT SPECULATORS QUICKLY KEEP BUILDING???
There is HISTORY, STATURE and preferences. TORONTO SURELY STILL IS MASSIVLY INVESTING in additional Public transportation and even rebuilding its Lakefront to then declare superior to Chicago's in that too. TIME WILL TELL. Some Canadians may even resent Toronto getting ALL the glory. As ITS MORE A CITY OF NON-NATIVE CANADIANS.... then any other.

**** I DON'T BASH TORONTO.... ITS TIME HAS COME. STATUS AND PREFERENCES THOUGH EVOLVE AND MATURITY...

Chicago and Northern US cities.... especially the Midwest today. Also has to deal with SUNBELT CITIES GETTING MUCH MORE GROWTH TODAY. Much from these Northern cities for milder winters and more job creation there.

Hearing CJICAGO IS A STAGNANT.... MORE HASBEEN CITY VS. TORONTO a NEW SHINY 21st CENTURY CITY.... still does not mean IT WON ANY WAR.... CHICAGO'S downtown STILL SHINES TOO and it has VIBRANCY and GREAT NEIGHBORHOODS TOO..

Just some opinion of mine in what AMERICAN NORTHERN CITIES HAD TO ENDURE....IN THEIR FIGHT THAT IS TRUELY A BÄTTLE IN THE PROCESS OF RESTORING THEMSELVES. NONE HAD A EASY ROAD..... NYC LUCKLILY HAS THE INTERNATIONAL INVESTING....TORONTO CAN BOAST. NYC is THE WORLD'S CITY NOW.... Seems Toronto wants that Crown too as DECLARING taking Chicago today and passing IT. ..... and the rest of America's cities next...
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Old 07-25-2016, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Rochester NY
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Wow, that was a mouthful.
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Old 07-25-2016, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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If White in Chicago you chance of being shot is still less then 4%....
I just want to point out that this number is actually the percentage of homicide victims in Chicago who are Caucasian, *not* your chance of being shot, which is actually much, much less and really shouldn't be a relevant metric, in my opinion.
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Old 07-25-2016, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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If White in Chicago you chance of being shot is still less then 4%....

only 1 out of 25 white people get shot in Chicago? not bad, not bad at all
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Is Rochester technically on Lake Ontario? It's not really against the lake:

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1920.../data=!3m1!1e3
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Old 07-25-2016, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Lubec, ME
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Is Rochester technically on Lake Ontario? It's not really against the lake:

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1920.../data=!3m1!1e3
Nope, which is why its not a port. Rochester was built on the Niagara Escarpment to harness the power of the falls of the Genesee. The canal and railroad grew it and left it to fade.

The only US-side significant place on the Ontario side is Oswego. From Lewiston to Irondequoit it's sparse; from Oswego to St. Lawrence its sparse.

The inverse is true for the Erie - the Canadian side is empty, the US side is Buffalo, Dunkirk, Erie, Ashtabula, Painesville, Cleveland, Lakewood, Sandusky, all the way over to Detroit 'burbs.

Michigan just has a massive coastline, most of it is not touched by cities in Michigan specific.
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