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Old 02-20-2008, 11:05 PM
 
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That doesn't really make sense since liberals are in favor of raising taxes and redistributing the wealth much like a socialist country.
Depends if you're talking economic or social liberalism/conservatism. True economic liberalism actually favours the lower tax + personal choice + personal responsibility line. The "liberal" bit refers to the freedom of an individual to spend their money free of the interference of the government. Or so the argument goes, I myself tend to lean towards the socialist perspective.
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Old 02-20-2008, 11:28 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Why did the OP have taxes as his only criteria for what states are bad for conservatives? Surely there must be some other consideration.

Illinois, for example, has vast swaths of hardcore conservatives in between Chicago and Springfield. And it's much the same in parts of California and New York. Maine has two Republican senators.

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The LOOTING OF MARYLANDERS' POCKETBOOKS just happened in November/December 2007, and as you can tell, they didn't waste any time making it take effect (with the sales tax rise to 6% in January).

O'Malley and his buddies in the General Assembly colluded to ram this down everybody's throat.

We probably jumped up 10+ slots in the rankings (I wouldn't be surprised).
Doubt it. Illinois is #10 where there's a 6.25% base sales tax, that goes up to a high of 9.5%. Chicago, has a crazy arcane sales tax that varies wildly depending on the good, but the general one is 9.25% which will increase to 9.5% in April (for the record I am entirely for the tax increase, as I love having public transit, just wish it wasn't just being imposed on Cook county and the collar counties).
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Old 02-21-2008, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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The welfare mother who works for **** wages and can't pay the bills, or the welfare mother that will inevitably lose benefits after 5 years after she reaches her lifetime quota of benefits?
The illegal immigrants that are going to be paying Social Security to your sorry ass when you get old?
Somehow I don't think you thought your position out too well.
I actually did you bleeding heart liberal pos. I live in an urban area where over half the population is on welfare or food stamps and don't have jobs. These people are LAZY. We have not shortage of jobs here as evidenced by the illegals. Anyone who chooses not to educate themselves and get a higher paying job has no one to blame but themselves. Illegals have no right to be here and should be rounded up and sent home. They don't pay social security because they are paid in cash in most cases. Go to the south. Ask a farmer who has these people work for him. You, my friend, have totally bought into the liberal nonsense propaganda. I feel sorry for you.
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Old 02-21-2008, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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I hate politics. Lets move on.
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Old 02-21-2008, 09:32 AM
 
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I actually did you bleeding heart liberal pos. I live in an urban area where over half the population is on welfare or food stamps and don't have jobs. These people are LAZY. We have not shortage of jobs here as evidenced by the illegals. Anyone who chooses not to educate themselves and get a higher paying job has no one to blame but themselves. Illegals have no right to be here and should be rounded up and sent home. They don't pay social security because they are paid in cash in most cases. Go to the south. Ask a farmer who has these people work for him. You, my friend, have totally bought into the liberal nonsense propaganda. I feel sorry for you.
That's the first urban area in the civilized world that I have heard of having a +50% unemployment rate. It looks like this list has it wrong:

Unemployment Rates for Metropolitan Areas

All of those welfare recipients, living the good life at your expense.....I am sure they are sitting around up in their penthouses, watching their big screen televisions and laughing to themselves.
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Old 02-21-2008, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Live in VA, Work in MD, Play in DC
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The welfare mother who works for **** wages and can't pay the bills, or the welfare mother that will inevitably lose benefits after 5 years after she reaches her lifetime quota of benefits?
The illegal immigrants that are going to be paying Social Security to your sorry ass when you get old?
Somehow I don't think you thought your position out too well.
Wow Minnehahapolitan, I never thought you would ever post something like this.

And now you're no longer a member.
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Old 02-21-2008, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Live in VA, Work in MD, Play in DC
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I actually did you bleeding heart liberal pos. I live in an urban area where over half the population is on welfare or food stamps and don't have jobs. These people are LAZY. We have not shortage of jobs here as evidenced by the illegals. Anyone who chooses not to educate themselves and get a higher paying job has no one to blame but themselves. Illegals have no right to be here and should be rounded up and sent home. They don't pay social security because they are paid in cash in most cases. Go to the south. Ask a farmer who has these people work for him. You, my friend, have totally bought into the liberal nonsense propaganda. I feel sorry for you.
Milwjake, I think you have a very narrow view of what makes up a liberal and what makes up a conservative. Taxes are not the only factor of what makes a place/person conservative or not. And neither is illegal immigration. Was it not Ronald Reagan, the man many conservatives idolize, who gave the last amnesty to illegals in 1986?
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Old 02-21-2008, 10:29 AM
 
Location: ITP
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I actually did you bleeding heart liberal pos. I live in an urban area where over half the population is on welfare or food stamps and don't have jobs. These people are LAZY. We have not shortage of jobs here as evidenced by the illegals. Anyone who chooses not to educate themselves and get a higher paying job has no one to blame but themselves. Illegals have no right to be here and should be rounded up and sent home. They don't pay social security because they are paid in cash in most cases. Go to the south. Ask a farmer who has these people work for him. You, my friend, have totally bought into the liberal nonsense propaganda. I feel sorry for you.
You are truly an idiot who disgraces my hometown of Milwaukee. Over half of the population there isn't on welfare or on food stamps. You speak in so much coded language...why don't you just come out and say it...you hate people of color. Don't be a coward--just say that you hate blacks and Hispanics.

It's a lot easier to spew hatred when you can just hide behind a screen name!
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Old 02-21-2008, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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That doesn't really make sense since liberals are in favor of raising taxes and redistributing the wealth much like a socialist country.
Got to pay the bills somehow. The government runs up bills, they don't care--the next generation of taxpayers will make the payments. You run up bills, you start getting dun notices.
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Old 02-21-2008, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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If you don't like taxes, stay away from these states!

10. Illinois
9. California
8. Rhode Island
7. Maine
6. Massachusetts
5. Minnesota
4. Washington
3. New Jersey
2. New York
1. Connecticut
This is in reference to the title, although not addressed in the lead topic. Vermont.
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