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View Poll Results: Which metric is better overall for the 11 BIGS
MSA 16 80.00%
CSA 4 20.00%
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Old 08-16-2016, 04:58 PM
 
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For the Big 11 PCSAs in America, which metric do feel is more correctly applicable? (MSA or CSA)

I'm just going to start this topic right now before I get out to get some dinner in New York and then see the city's night scene.

If we had to go down the list of the Big 11 PCSAs in America and I suppose if everyone had to input which metric (MSA or CSA) more closely "depicted reality" (based off their perspectives) and all of that other stuff for each place, which metric would you choose for each city?

I'll start off (all below are in my opinion);

- New York: I'll go with CSA
- Los Angeles: I'll go with CSA
- Chicago: I'll go with CSA
- Washington D.C.: I'll go with CSA
- San Francisco: I'll go with CSA
- Dallas: I'll go with CSA
- Houston: I'll go with CSA
- Miami: I'll go with CSA
- Atlanta: I'll go with CSA
- Philadelphia: I'll go with CSA

I chose CSA for them all because my personal belief is that if we use one metric for one city that we have to use the same metric for all the other cities. I feel it is biased and unfair to use one metric for one city and another metric for other cities, in my personal opinion.

The reason I chose CSA over MSA is because from my vantage point it more closely depicts a city, its suburbs, its exurbs, and its satellite communities the best. My reasoning for choosing CSA is simple, with an area like New York, I feel MSA doesn't adequately account for all of the city's suburbs, it completely leaves out the Connecticut ones. Lets keep it 100 here, Fairfield County wouldn't be that rich, educated, or important if it wasn't for New York. So to not include it (as is the case with MSA) is ludicrous. Same with Los Angeles and the San Francisco Bay Area but these are just my opinions. I also don't mind CSAs with Chicago, Houston, Dallas, Miami, or Atlanta. It isn't like these areas are adding millions of people and gaining such a massive advantage over other cities. Instead they all gain between 200,000 (Houston) to 640,000 (Miami), which in the grand scheme of things is nothing to be getting up and arms over. Seriously.

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Old 08-16-2016, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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No Urban Area?
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Old 08-16-2016, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Macon, GA
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I would definitely say MSA for Atlanta.

Athens, LaGrange, Thomaston, etc. definitely arent really "Atlanta"
Even within the MSA, outer places like Lamar County, Butts County, Haralson County, and Jasper County dont really seem like "Atlanta" to me. It's a much better metric than the CSA though.
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Old 08-16-2016, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Urban Area.
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Old 08-16-2016, 07:22 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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Urban Area or MSA.
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Old 08-16-2016, 07:34 PM
 
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Literally anything but CSA.
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Old 08-16-2016, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Most of them, I say CSA. For Houston, it doesn't matter. For DFW, it doesn't matter. The CSA doesn't add much nor does the physical sq miles. For DC, easily MSA. Adding Baltimore gives the false sense of believing that DC is about the same size as Chicago when it isn't. But the most laughable is Miami. The metro ends at Jupiter and when the lanes of 95 downsizes from 8-10 to 6 and remains that way until you get to Jacksonville. The fact that Vero Beach which is 139 miles north of Miami is grouped together as the same CSA is hilarious. It's 81 miles to WPB. It's closer to Orlando than it is to Miami. When I'm in Vero Beach and even in Port St Lucie, I do not think I'm in the same metro as Miami. I don't feel that it is even in the same breadth of Miami. People move to Port St Lucie to get away from the Miami metro area.

I think CSA makes the most sense for the Bay and LA but the Bay I believe counts Stockton now. That's stretching it now too.
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Old 08-16-2016, 10:12 PM
 
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Both MSA and CSA put entire counties either in or out. So "LA" goes clear to Nevada, and Seattle includes most of Mt. Rainier National Park. And there are absurd dividing lines between MSAs.

Urban area is at least more granular. Though the population density cutoff is pretty arbitrary.

There are no perfect comparisons.
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Old 08-17-2016, 06:43 AM
 
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For me it's UA or MSA.
MSA is somewhat too broad, CSA is overly broad in all cases.

New York: I'll go with MSA
- Los Angeles: I'll go with MSA
- Chicago: I'll go with MSA
- Washington D.C.: I'll go with MSA
- San Francisco: I'll go with MSA plus SOME of the adjacent cities
- Dallas: I'll go with MSA
- Houston: I'll go with MSA
- Miami: I'll go with MSA
- Atlanta: I'll go with MSA
- Philadelphia: I'll go with MSA
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Old 08-17-2016, 07:03 AM
 
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CSA for the Bay Area and LA (or at the least, SF + SJ MSAs and LA + Riverside MSAs). MSA for the rest.
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