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View Poll Results: What is the most valuable city in the US? (excluding NYC and DC)
Los Angeles 44 55.00%
Chicago 8 10.00%
Dallas 0 0%
Houston 4 5.00%
Philadelphia 5 6.25%
Miami 0 0%
Atlanta 0 0%
Boston 3 3.75%
San Francisco 15 18.75%
Phoenix 1 1.25%
Detroit 0 0%
Seattle 0 0%
Other 0 0%
Voters: 80. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-18-2016, 09:07 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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A lot of sensitivity from some SF posters. No one is attacking San Francisco outside of MAYBE Mr. Data. Even then, SF is not the second most valuable city. You can make just as strong of an argument for LA, Chicago, and DC. Boston is also a peer of SF...
It's not sensitivity, at least on my part as I'm not really a Bay Area booster and despise the tech industry actually. It's just that your whole argument and premise is based on a hypothetical situation and not reality. Also the fact that you just make up stuff and don't back up any of your statements with data or anything really. That's the frustrating part of this.
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:11 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I don't think so. The combined ports of LA and Long Beach are the third busiest in the country in overall tonnage, and lead the country in terms of deep water shipping and capacity. The Port of Oakland is simply no match, since there are depth and navigation restrictions in SF Bay, so that's one vital industry that can't be easily replicated anywhere else.

Table 1-57: Tonnage of Top 50 U.S. Water Ports, Ranked by Total Tons(a) | Bureau of Transportation Statistics

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You're arguing that tech environment can't be replicated anywhere else, but it is based on people. If the Bay were to be eliminated, you don't think that human ingenuity and creativity, as it pertains to technology, which is a VERY mobile thing, won't be replicated elsewhere? Anywhere else with liberal universities and capital to take advantage of? Lol, it already is replicated in places like Boston and New York, just to a much smaller degree. And conversely, if LA were taken out, Hollywood could be replicated elsewhere, as it already is in places like Atlanta and New York, to a smaller degree.

All industries driven by human knowledge and innovation can and will be replicated elsewhere. That's fact. It's just a matter of degree. So what I think really matters in this hypothetical scenario is a) the amount of human capital already available (population) and b) industries based on the physical environment that can't just "move" anywhere else, for geographical reasons (shipping and energy production). After NYC, which has the most massive amount of human capital in this country, as well as favorable geographic factors, LA is next. 18 million people > 8.5 million. It has better deepwater ports in a more favorable geographic location than the Bay. 18 million people gone will have way more of an impact than 8.5 million, even if they are less "productive" on a per capita basis. The difference is too great, especially in this First World country.
So a completely artificial port can't be replicated somewhere else? LA doesn't have any sort of protected natural harbor. San Pedro Bay was originally a shallow mudflat, dredging and an artificial breakwater made it what it is today.
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:16 AM
 
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No boosting here.
Outside the obvious two, the clear answer is LA.

In terms of human capital, public image, worldwide association with the US. The clear answer would be LA.

After that Chicago would probably 4th.

SF, Boston, Philadelphia would be next in terms of human capital and public association/sense of loss.

When you look at what we will be loosing, the energy industry and Shipping would put Houston next.

Travel and logistics would put DFW, Seattle and Atlanta next.

I don't know why cities like Phoenix are even listed
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Haha its absolutely absurd to say that based on population alone, a city is therefore more valuable than another.

I wonder what excuses you people will come up with when the Bay Area CSAs GDP surpasses the LA CSA GDP?

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Old 08-18-2016, 09:35 AM
 
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London and Paris are far from the most populous cities in the world and yet both are at the top of the most valuable. I woulds say two of the top 3.

The LA choice is not about population or GDP.
It's the association. What's more American than NY, Our capital and LA.

SF does not come close to the association with the US That LA does.

When people think of hurting us where we care the most about symbolically. It's NY, DC, LA.

LA is far from my favorite city in the US. Heck it's not even in my top two favorite in California, but being honest LA is the clear choice
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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It's not sensitivity, at least on my part as I'm not really a Bay Area booster and despise the tech industry actually. It's just that your whole argument and premise is based on a hypothetical situation and not reality. Also the fact that you just make up stuff and don't back up any of your statements with data or anything really. That's the frustrating part of this.
Theyre all talk.
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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I think the aliens got it right in the first Independence Day...
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:37 AM
 
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I don't know why cities like Phoenix are even listed
But it got one vote.
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:41 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I think the aliens got it right in the first Independence Day...
I'm sure in 1996 LA was more relevant than it is today too lol.
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:43 AM
 
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London and Paris are far from the most populous cities in the world and yet both are at the top of the most valuable. I woulds say two of the top 3.

The LA choice is not about population or GDP.
It's the association. What's more American than NY, Our capital and LA.

SF does not come close to the association with the US That LA does.

When people think of hurting us where we care the most about symbolically. It's NY, DC, LA.

LA is far from my favorite city in the US. Heck it's not even in my top two favorite in California, but being honest LA is the clear choice
This is true. But think about all the stuff you use on a daily basis. Are those companies based out of LA or SF more so?
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