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View Poll Results: What is the most valuable city in the US? (excluding NYC and DC)
Los Angeles 44 55.00%
Chicago 8 10.00%
Dallas 0 0%
Houston 4 5.00%
Philadelphia 5 6.25%
Miami 0 0%
Atlanta 0 0%
Boston 3 3.75%
San Francisco 15 18.75%
Phoenix 1 1.25%
Detroit 0 0%
Seattle 0 0%
Other 0 0%
Voters: 80. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-18-2016, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Their problem is that we can actually quantify ways that the Bay Area beats LA with actual stats. Lots and lots of them.

Once again, what about LA would be more desirable to China than this:
http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new...5-OS-Share.png

iOS and Android Capture Combined 98.4% Share of Smartphone Market - Mac Rumors

We sell well over a billion smart phones running on local platforms( Android and iOS) every year. In fact, the Bay Area has 90% of the global marketshare.

This^ is the sort of thing China drools over, not the latest Duane Johnson movie.

Lol
Not true, at all.

"some are realizing that American imports are as essential to the continual mass growth of the industry as the various hit franchises in China at the moment, and to ensuring that China remains on the path to becoming the foremost world power for film viewership."

China, Hollywood, and the Global Future of Film Production | Consequence of Sound

"Seven Hollywood releases have grossed more than $100 million in China so far, and a movie’s performance in the country has “green light” power in Hollywood. The 2013 “Pacific Rim” was a disappointment in the U.S., but its success in China helped persuade producers to pursue a sequel, now set for release in 2018."

"The confluence of the two markets is visible on the big screen."


China

The fact of the matter is, China and Hollywood are becoming more and more intertwined these days, in both a competitive and cooperative sense. This is really no different than your touted Bay tech and social media platforms. In fact, many of the touted Bay products are actually banned in China (Twitter, Facebook, Google), and there are many knockoffs of physical products (smartphones especially).

https://www.androidpit.com/best-chin...id-smartphones

If anything, LA's products have MORE influence in China than the Bay, and LA makes more of a profit. Not sure why you picked China, of all places, to tout the Bay's "superiority" over LA.
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Old 08-18-2016, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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If we were to be attacked LA would be much farther up in line than SF.
Once again, silly nostalgia( that foreign powers dont care about)aside, The Bay Area is also the only region with 5 million+ persons with actual Nuclear weapons and the most advanced nuclear engineering and laboratories of any major metro.

Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories/ Sandia-UC Berkeley National Laboratories in Livermore is the only such facility in any of the largest CSAs.

While you fret on 'nostalgia', China and Russia and Iran and North Korea would most assuredly be far more fixated on something like this:
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Current issues: The National Ignition Facility (NIF), which houses the world's largest and most energetic laser, is located at Livermore. Its goal is to achieve "ignition," a carefully controlled thermonuclear explosion that would create the extreme temperatures and pressures found in nuclear weapons explosion under laboratory conditions.
Im just saying.

The Bay Area has the mosy cash on hand by far, the most coveted and widely recognized corporate brands, a monopoly on global internet activity, global social media and global wireless communications, more patents issued annually then any NY+LA combined, and now a nuclear arsenal and the most advanced nuclear research facility in any major metro region.

Tell me again why LA would be more desirable a rogue nation?
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Old 08-18-2016, 11:43 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Think of it this way.
When you think of what is most valuable to you doesn't necessarily have to be valuable in terms of dollar value.

Most priceless items are tied to association, nostalgia, public love.

SF may pump out $$$ items but LA is more associated with us than SF. Lots more nostalgia tied to LA.

If we were to be attacked LA would be much farther up in line than SF.
Yeah I get that, still doesn't mean it will be more impactful. I just think the products you use on a daily basis might be more important even though they didn't make you cry like movie The Notebook.
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Old 08-18-2016, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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So many people here continue to allow their better judgement to be clouded by envy.

What pain could LA inflict on the world? What flip switched in LA could instantly affect lives in Perth or Paris alike? None that I can think of.

On the other hand:

[Facebook] now has 1.71 billion monthly active users, adding 60 million users from the previous quarter and growing its user base by 15% from the same quarter a year earlier.
On mobile, where Facebook was once thought to be be struggling, the company now has 1.57 billion monthly active users, up 20% year-over-year. And if that's not enough, there are 1.13 billion people using the social network every single day, on average.


Facebook now has more than 1.7 billion users - Jul. 27, 2016
I'm not arguing against your choice but c'mon, Facebook?!
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Old 08-18-2016, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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The load that the ports of LA and LB currently handle could be split up amongst the other West Coast ports. It's not necessary that one port pick up all the slack.
The same could be said of all of the corporations physically located in the Bay. Google has large offices elsewhere, for example.

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SV is much more than just a large concentration of tech companies and tech workers though; it is literally an ecosystem where a unique combination of historic and present-day factors cause innovation and creativity to thrive and ideas to be funded and commercialized, the likes of which aren't really present anywhere else in the world.

Silicon valley cannot be replicated
Why You Can’t Replicate Silicon Valley | Manuel Stagars
Why It's Hard to Replicate Silicon Valley's Successes Abroad - Bloomberg
Why It's So Tough To Replicate Silicon Valley - Business Insider
The origins of Silicon Valley: Could they ever be replicated?

If a rogue nation were to capture the Bay Area, there's a very good chance that anything that eventually replaces it won't be in the U.S. And certainly you're right about Hollywood, but it's obvious that tech has a significantly larger impact on people's day-to-day lives than Hollywood.
Those articles are basically saying that besides knowledge (universities) and money (venture capital, start up money, etc), you need patience/time and social openness to create a Silicon Valley. While the Bay may have been counter cultural in the '70s compared to everywhere else, that doesn't hold true anymore in 2016. Greater Boston and New York are just as diverse and "unconventional" these days (Massachusetts legalized same-sex marriage first). If anything, no other Western nation could replicate the conditions, much less a Japan or Korea, but there are plenty of other metros in this country that meet the requirements these days. From the Richard Florida article:

"This can only happen in an environment that's open, meritocratic, and diverse, where it doesn't matter what you look like or where you are from, or what your ethnic background or sexual orientation is. More than half of all the Silicon Valley startups launched over the past couple of decades have had an immigrant on their founding teams."

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I disagree because you're only looking at this from a localized perspective. SV has a much larger GLOBAL impact and that's something that GDP and local population figures don't account for. Again, port traffic can diverted to other ports; it just requires some reconfiguration and recoordination. And the Gulf Coast is already on top in terms of energy production, which has an outsized economic impact. But if SV came under the control of a rogue nation, the effects could be immediately devastating all over the world.
You mention global impact, and you're right that GDP and local population don't capture the full story. Which is where culture comes in to play. You claim Hollywood doesn't impact people's day-to-day lives as much, and I vehemently disagree. Most of the world's high end televisons are made in Korea and Japan these days, but even when they were American manufactured, the focus wasn't on the technology, but what the technology produced: entertainment, news, shopping, culture. Similarly, the same can be said about the Bay's products. People beat out technology every time, and no where else produces and exports culture quite like Southern California.
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Old 08-18-2016, 11:49 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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People beat out technology every time, and no where else produces and exports culture quite like Southern California.
Yeah and look at how that culture is being exported today.
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Old 08-18-2016, 11:56 AM
 
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The same could be said of all of the corporations physically located in the Bay. Google has large offices elsewhere, for example.
But those "large offices" aren't independent entities; they are outposts of the headquarters where all the decisions are made and where the nucleus of innovation is located, which is SV. You can't compare a seaport with a giant, private tech corporation.

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You mention global impact, and you're right that GDP and local population don't capture the full story. Which is where culture comes in to play. You claim Hollywood doesn't impact people's day-to-day lives as much, and I vehemently disagree. Most of the world's high end televisons are made in Korea and Japan these days, but even when they were American manufactured, the focus wasn't on the technology, but what the technology produced: entertainment, news, shopping, culture. Similarly, the same can be said about the Bay's products. People beat out technology every time, and no where else produces and exports culture quite like Southern California.
I think the free flow of information and the broadbased utilization of technology coming out of SV has more of a day-to-day impact on people's lives in 2016 than TV/film-based entertainment coming from Hollywood and I think that's pretty intuitive on its face. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here.
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Old 08-18-2016, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Yeah and look at how that culture is being exported today.
The same could be said of the Bay's innovations and culture. Jack Ma would like to have a word with you...
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Old 08-18-2016, 11:58 AM
 
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The Bay Area boosters got it right this time...through the internet, the takeover of the Bay Area would have an immediate impact that would be felt quicker than any other metro area besides DC and NYC...longer term, LA and Chicago might be worse but you would feel the Bay Area takeover immediately
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Old 08-18-2016, 12:05 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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The same could be said of the Bay's innovations and culture. Jack Ma would like to have a word with you...
How so?

Bay Area companies have changed how entertainment companies operate and do business. Not the other way around.
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