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View Poll Results: Upstate NY: More like Pennsylvania or New England?
Pennsylvania 34 65.38%
New England 18 34.62%
Voters: 52. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-20-2016, 10:06 PM
 
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Culturally speaking, Yankeedom are those portions of the U.S. which were originally settled by those of New England Puritan stock during the 19th century. Yankees moved west through Upstate NY, and once the Erie Canal was built settled essentially the entire Great Lakes littoral. They stood in contrast with the lower Midwest, which was settled by Pennsylvanians and people from the Upper South. It's why, for example, in Ohio Cleveland looks a lot like a New England city in places, but parts of Cincinnati wouldn't look out of place in Philly. Also why the accents differ so much between the upper and lower Midwest.
Sure, but that's not what "Yankee" means now. Besides, my family two generations back is from Canada on one side and Pennsylvania on the other.
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Old 08-21-2016, 07:31 PM
 
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Another thing that is different about Upstate NY versus PA and New England is that THE major city/area can vary depending on where in Upstate NY. For instance, Montreal may be the major city that people may go to if you are in parts of the North Country/Adirondacks. Some may go to Toronto. NYC may seem to be obvious to most people, but this isn't always the case.
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Old 08-23-2016, 10:05 AM
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Sure, but that's not what "Yankee" means now. Besides, my family two generations back is from Canada on one side and Pennsylvania on the other.
Well it's not used much, but if it used it means things having to do with New England, particularly more old-fashioned aspects of it. Silly to view it as insulting.

In any case, it was clear eschaton was using it in to signify protestant New Englanders in early American times in a historical ethnic sense.
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Everything east of the Hudson essentially IS New England. The Hudson valley makes up the border for most people.
Kinda, though it's the valley itself not the river. It's not like there's a big divide on either side of the river.
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Old 08-23-2016, 10:19 AM
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This is the one I take issue with the most, most, most. Places like Ithaca are not all that common in NY either. Ithaca is a very unique place topographically speaking. The way the hills and the lake meet is aside even from the other finger lakes, which all have FAR narrower and steeper valleys to the south and generally flat land to the north.

Let's see about some other southern finger lake towns. Watkins Glen. Hammondsport. Naples. ALL towns that would fit in just fine anywhere in PA. Replace the lake with a big river. or heck, just dry up the water in your mind. Not very different is it? In fact, without the water the lakes would be even more similar to the deep valleys of northern PA.
Interesting. I thought Ithaca and Watkins Glen were similar terrain-wise just not culturally (or size-wise). Here's a map comparison showing the terrain at the same scale showing what you're saying:

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4425.../data=!5m1!1e4

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.36,-.../data=!5m1!1e4

The hills west side of Ithaca are similar in steepness to Watkins Glen but the flat valley bottom is wider in Watkins Glen while the east side hills much steeper than Ithaca's; too steep to build a town. Or university.

As for Ithaca, liberal university towns are common in the northern US. Burlington and Amherst/Northampton are two good New England examples.

As for you're other points, I'm not familiar with northern PA to say much; though Scranton and Binghamton seem obviously similar.

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Yes, there are a lot of Italians upstate but for most areas they are not the majority lineage. Germanic (all things therein) and Celtic/Anglo typically are. Italian majority is a minority thing in the grand scheme.
They're not the majority lineage anywhere except some NYC suburbs, though parts of coastal New England, some Philly burbs and the lower Hudson valley come close. The upstate NYC metros from Albany westward all have relatively large Italian-American population, lower than the coastal Northeast but higher than the Midwest and most of Pennsylvania outside of the Philly region
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Old 08-23-2016, 10:33 AM
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if you look at % with a college degree, upstate NY is about halfway in between New England and Pennsylvania (excluding Boston and Philly metros for each).

A Map of How Educated the United States Is by County

checking the actual data, the upstate NY is closer to PA

http://www.census.gov/censusexplorer...sexplorer.html
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Old 08-23-2016, 12:13 PM
 
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if you look at % with a college degree, upstate NY is about halfway in between New England and Pennsylvania (excluding Boston and Philly metros for each).

A Map of How Educated the United States Is by County

checking the actual data, the upstate NY is closer to PA

http://www.census.gov/censusexplorer...sexplorer.html
I can't view the second link, but the first is just in terms of HS educational attainment, right? I know this list is a little old, but this has the top 100 metros in terms of those 25 and older with at least a Bachelors degree: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...reas.html?_r=0

Going by this, it looks like it depends on the New England, Upstate NY and PA metro. More Upstate NY info: http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/n...w-york.html#i1
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Old 08-23-2016, 12:26 PM
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2nd map is bachelor's degree; 1st is high school degree. I was comparing rural / small city counties as well; which wouldn't show up on metro lists.
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Old 08-23-2016, 12:28 PM
 
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2nd map is bachelor's degree; 1st is high school degree. I was comparing rural / small city counties as well; which wouldn't show up on metro lists.
Got it.....Here is another educational measurement: http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjourna...html?full=true

Ironically, the Ithaca metro is usually 1 or 2 out of all metros in terms of college educational attainment. For instance, according to 2010-2014 Census info, Ithaca is second behind Los Alamos NM in regards to percentage of those 25 and older with at least a Masters degree out of 868 metro and micro areas.
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Old 08-23-2016, 01:32 PM
 
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To this floridians eyes, People from western New York are indistinguishable from people from western PA. Northeast corridor New Yorkers are much different.
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