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Old 08-26-2016, 02:35 PM
 
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Perhaps Buffalo could be put back on the list given the criteria. Rochester may be another one to consider again.

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Old 08-26-2016, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Oh, there we are again on an affordable list. That is so pre-2010. Check the prices of Shadyside and see how affordable it is. The cheapest "house" on realtor.com is a condo at $160,900.
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Old 08-26-2016, 03:44 PM
 
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Oh, there we are again on an affordable list. That is so pre-2010. Check the prices of Shadyside and see how affordable it is. The cheapest "house" on realtor.com is a condo at $160,900.
Check out the prices everywhere else. When you can still get into the swanky neighborhoods for under 200k, you're still a bargain basement living opportunity.
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Old 08-26-2016, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Northeast Suburbs of PITTSBURGH
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Cleveland has both rail (Red, Blue, Green and Waterfront lines) and bus (Healthline and Cleveland State lines) rapids.

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I'm quite familiar with Cleveland, thanks.

It's BRT is on surface streets and is just timed lights on a bus lane.

It's rail cuts through typical Midwestern style neighborhoods. And yes I know it connects little Italy, which is underwhelming compared to the way you and Cleverfield describe it.
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Old 08-26-2016, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Check out the prices everywhere else. When you can still get into the swanky neighborhoods for under 200k, you're still a bargain basement living opportunity.
But those cities offer higher salaries and jobs. This isn't DC, Denver, Seattle, San Fran, Philly, or NYC. Those other cities might also have middle class neighborhoods. We don't.
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Old 08-27-2016, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Cleveland Heights, OH
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I've narrowed it down to Cleveland and Pittsburgh. Really don't think we want to go through the Minneapolis winters, and with the help of this thread, I don't think their mass transit is any better. Plus, I just learned that MN taxes military retirement pay, while OH and PA don't. And Philly just has too many negatives (for us).

I've already stated the things I love about Pittsburgh. The more I learn about Cleveland, the more I like it. For one, there are many more houses to choose from that meet our needs. I also like that it's sort of an underdog city, rising from the ashes. I'm just going to have to visit both cities to decide.

Thanks again to all who gave input. I'll buy you a beer or two if we move to your city.
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Old 08-27-2016, 10:50 AM
 
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I've narrowed it down to Cleveland and Pittsburgh. Really don't think we want to go through the Minneapolis winters, and with the help of this thread, I don't think their mass transit is any better. Plus, I just learned that MN taxes military retirement pay, while OH and PA don't. And Philly just has too many negatives (for us).

I've already stated the things I love about Pittsburgh. The more I learn about Cleveland, the more I like it. For one, there are many more houses to choose from that meet our needs. I also like that it's sort of an underdog city, rising from the ashes. I'm just going to have to visit both cities to decide.

Thanks again to all who gave input. I'll buy you a beer or two if we move to your city.
Great, hope you end up in Cleveland (or "The Land" as LeBron and others are now calling it). One word of caution: I'd put Cleveland winters up there with the best (or worst) of them in terms of harshness. The good news is that residents deal with it and having strong road crews and good mass transit, helps a lot.

Also, I'm curious about the negatives of Philly you mention (I apologize a head of time if you've spelled this out up-thread, I'm just too lazy and busy to read all the posts)... I actually have much experience in living in both cities. While I do find Philadelphians, overall, to be rude and boorish and the city, too often, dirty, there are a ton of pluses to living there, among them are the extensive quality suburban-caliber living within city borders-- this helps engender a slower-paced, smaller city (than you'd expect) feeling about Philly. Much of the large northwestern section of the city containing the neighborhoods of Germantown, Roxborough, Mt. Airy and Chestnut hill has this suburban feel -- even semi rural (the unique Saul Agricultural high school actually has a working farm with horses, cows, sheep, etc right in Roxborough) and driving out Wissahickon Drive makes you feel like you're in a foresty, rural area with nice houses mixed in, while Mt. Airy and Chestnut Hill have spots with a real village feel to them...

The City also has high culture, proximity to the biggest and most exciting American cities and one of the best mass transit networks in America ... and the world, for that matter. ... Philadelphia, while expensive compared to places like Cleveland, are considerably cheaper than New York or D.C.... I'm curious, though, as to what bothers you about Philly.

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Old 08-27-2016, 11:10 AM
 
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Some NW Philly street vistas:

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0527...8i6656!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0406...8i6656!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0411...8i6656!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0171...8i6656!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ph...652215!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0496...8i6656!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ph...652215!6m1!1e1
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Old 08-27-2016, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Cleveland Heights, OH
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...I'm curious, though, as to what bothers you about Philly.
Hot summers, few neighborhoods to choose from with our requirements, Eagles (sorry).
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Old 08-27-2016, 08:54 PM
 
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I've narrowed it down to Cleveland and Pittsburgh. Really don't think we want to go through the Minneapolis winters, and with the help of this thread, I don't think their mass transit is any better. Plus, I just learned that MN taxes military retirement pay, while OH and PA don't. And Philly just has too many negatives (for us).

I've already stated the things I love about Pittsburgh. The more I learn about Cleveland, the more I like it. For one, there are many more houses to choose from that meet our needs. I also like that it's sort of an underdog city, rising from the ashes. I'm just going to have to visit both cities to decide.

Thanks again to all who gave input. I'll buy you a beer or two if we move to your city.
Yup, you should visit both and plan to spend several days in each, if you can. There is no substitute for a visit, even if streetview gives an impression. For as much as people compare those two cities, Pittsburgh and Cleveland are really quite different. I'd go as far as to say they are among the most different 2 major cities in fairly close proximity, in the US. (probably DC and Baltimore are the most different). But overall I would think the best employment has to be goal #1.

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