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Yeah, Denver is a Bronco town. Even though we have all 4 major pro sports teams if you just landed from another planet and watched local TV or listened to local sports talk you would think we only have an NFL franchise. The Rockies, Nuggets, and Avalanche get no love. And this has been going on for ages even before they won this most recent championship. They talk more about the Broncos when they are losing/bad vs when they are good.
There are 4 local radio sports talk shows and it is 90-95% Broncos year round.
What's wrong with the Trop's location? It is absolutely the worst MLB stadium, no contest whatsoever, but I street viewed around it and this is a block away:
It pains me to say this, but don't my beloved Mets have a way worse location? Citi Field is bounded on two sides by a spaghetti of highways (the bay is beyond it on one of those sides, but good luck getting there), on another side by New York's ugliest neighborhood, and on the last side by a tennis center that's dead for 51 weeks a year.
The problem is the park is in St Petersburg over the bridge from Tampa. It's a pain to get to for most fans, especially for 7pm week night games which is part of the reason that they play to half empty parks even when they are in play off contention
The problem is the park is in St Petersburg over the bridge from Tampa. It's a pain to get to for most fans, especially for 7pm week night games which is part of the reason that they play to half empty parks even when they are in play off contention
That's a weak argument. Just under a million people live in Pinellas County while 1.2 million live in Hillsborough County. If you put the park in Tampa that means nearly half of the those potentially attending the game would have to cross the bridge from St Petersburg. The crux of the matter is Florida pro sports fans in general are fair weather, lazy and full of excuses.
Detroit, Baltimore, Philadelphia, and Cincinnati (as mentioned) are among the best baseball markets in the country. They are in the upper tier.
Baseball is a cultural institution in those cities. In LA, it's an excuse to get drunk when the Lakers aren't playing.
Nobody leaves in the 7th inning in Philadelphia or Cincinnati. And everybody in the stands knows what an infield fly rule call is. Big difference.
Ah, the inevitable appeal to baseball IQ. It must be September. The region that puts more players in the Majors than any other by a disproportionately large margin, in state that produces more big leaguers than all of those markets you identified- on a per capita basis - somehow doesn't understand how baseball is played. Baseball is better understood by guys living in places where they don't play it nearly as well.
in state that produces more big leaguers than all of those markets you identified- on a per capita basis - somehow doesn't understand how baseball is played. Baseball is better understood by guys living in places where they don't play it nearly as well.
This belies your lack of understanding of the game.
California produces players because, a.) there are a ton of people there, and b.) there are year-round baseball programs.
So, if your kid has talent and you have the means, of course you move them to California for the opportunity of full-year seasons and practices.
Couple that with the fact that lots of major leaguers retire to California (because if you had millions of dollars to spend, wouldn't you?), and you get a good place to germinate baseball talent.
By your logic, Tampa should also be one of the most "baseball-crazed" markets (Spoiler alert: it's not).
Look at the traditional hotbeds of baseball talent....places like Cincinnati and Western Pennsylvania. Those areas have produced a ridiculous amount of hall-of-famers, historically, partly because baseball is totally ingrained, culturally.
Also, with the expansion of the draft, the minor league system, the league, and major league rosters, the Law of Large Numbers just dictates that it is going to be easier for a young player to reach the majors now than it was many, many years ago.
Boy, you Californians really don't get baseball, do you?
Miwaukee's so high per capita because they're a small market, and draw in big crowds from rival cities with legit claims to this title every time the Cubs or Cards come through. They draw 28k per game in a stadium that seats 42k. If you filter out Cubs and Cards games, this drops dramatically. Milwaukee fans aren't paying to go see the team, and they don't care about it.
They built on an interstate because they rely on incoming fans from other markets to remain sustainable.
It's not only not in the discussion for best baseball town: it's a junk baseball town. Legitimately bottom five.
Milwaukee is not #1 in per capita attendance by drawing big crowds from rival cities. That per capita number is from 2014 so I filtered out the Cubs and Cards fans coming through town that year:
Saturday, Jul 12 boxscore MIL STL 40,198
Saturday, Sep 6 boxscore MIL STL 39,042
Thursday, Sep 4 boxscore MIL STL 37,227
Friday, Jul 11 boxscore MIL STL 35,501
Sunday, Jul 13 boxscore MIL STL 35,345
Fridd, Sep 5 boxscore MIL STL 35,103
Sun, Sep 7 boxscore MIL STL 31,771
Tue, Apr 15 boxscore MIL STL 27,470
Mon, Apr 14 boxscore MIL STL 27,090
Wed, Apr 16 boxscore MIL STL 26,668
Sun, Apr 27 boxscore MIL CHC 45,286
Sat, May 31 boxscore MIL CHC 42,332
Sat, Sep 27 boxscore MIL CHC 41,440
Sat, Apr 26 boxscore MIL CHC 40,008
Frid, Sep 26 boxscore MIL CHC 39,880
Sun, June 1 boxscore MIL CHC 36,277
Friday, May 30 boxscore MIL CHC 36,100
Sunday, Sep 28 boxscore MIL CHC 33,837
Friday, Apr 25 boxscore MIL CHC 32,868
AVERAGE CUBS/CARDS ATTENDANCE 35,971
LESS: AVERAGE HOME GAME ATTENDANCE 35,536
DIFFERENCE: 435
AVERAGE INCREASE FOR CUBS/CARDS FANS 435
X NUMBER OF CUBS/CARDS GAMES 19
ANNUAL INCREASE FROM CUBS/CARDS FANS 8,265
Filtering out both CUBS and CARDS games drops attendance by 8,265 fans for the entire year.
This belies your lack of understanding of the game.
California produces players because, a.) there are a ton of people there, and b.) there are year-round baseball programs.
So, if your kid has talent and you have the means, of course you move them to California for the opportunity of full-year seasons and practices.
Couple that with the fact that lots of major leaguers retire to California (because if you had millions of dollars to spend, wouldn't you?), and you get a good place to germinate baseball talent.
By your logic, Tampa should also be one of the most "baseball-crazed" markets (Spoiler alert: it's not).
Look at the traditional hotbeds of baseball talent....places like Cincinnati and Western Pennsylvania. Those areas have produced a ridiculous amount of hall-of-famers, historically, partly because baseball is totally ingrained, culturally.
Also, with the expansion of the draft, the minor league system, the league, and major league rosters, the Law of Large Numbers just dictates that it is going to be easier for a young player to reach the majors now than it was many, many years ago.
Boy, you Californians really don't get baseball, do you?
Your misplaced resentment of place you know little about and your general distrust of math is endearing, in a Footloose sort of way.
a.) Irrelevant. CA leads all states with a sizable population on a per capita basis.
b.) Correct. This is another way of saying more people play baseball here, and they play it more. Actual participation is engrained in the local culture here more than anywhere else. I’m glad you agree.
As for your chosen markets, there’s more than twice as many major leaguers from CA than OH, PA, NY, and MI combined. Maybe if we stopped playing the game so much AND went to fewer games, we’d rise to the status of New York. And the whole Tampa thing doesn’t even make sense. Go get ‘em next time.
Your misplaced resentment of place you know little about and your general distrust of math is endearing, in a Footloose sort of way.
I don't resent California. I like California.
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a.) Irrelevant. CA leads all states with a sizable population on a per capita basis.
Well, that's frikkin arbitrary...
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b.) Correct. This is another way of saying more people play baseball here, and they play it more. Actual participation is engrained in the local culture here more than anywhere else. I’m glad you agree.
Yeah, but why do they play more baseball there? It has nothing to do with baseball culture or baseball fanaticism.
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As for your chosen markets, there’s more than twice as many major leaguers from CA than OH, PA, NY, and MI combined.
Again, you're totally cherry-picking irrelevant data. I explained already how evolutions in the game make it far easier for people with the talent (and the means) to participate in year-round baseball to rise to the ranks of major-leaguer. I'm not going to bore somebody with such a clearly limited grasp on statistics with the explanation again.
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Maybe if we stopped playing the game so much AND went to fewer games, we’d rise to the status of New York. And the whole Tampa thing doesn’t even make sense.
Yes it does. Florida is a huge producer of baseball talent. Does that make Florida's major league markets fanatical?
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Go get ‘em next time.
You're making yourself look silly.
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