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Old 08-27-2016, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Tempe, AZ
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Depending on what qualifies as free.

If we are talking about social freedoms, I do believe it belongs to Nevada. Nevada has legal prostitution in all but 2 counties (whatever counties Vegas and Reno are in), very lax alcohol laws, relatively lax gun laws (not as much as Arizona though, which is always in the top 5) and so on. I do believe if Nevada had legalized marijuana it would lead this easy.

Now with economic freedoms Nevada does well here either with no income tax.

If I had to rank myself (again, social freedoms only): Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, Texas.

Economic freedoms only: Nevada, Texas, Arizona, Colorado.

Though someone is welcome to refute my point.
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Old 08-28-2016, 11:32 PM
 
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Thanks for the input. While I don't see myself benefiting from prostitution, I did ask for freedom across the board lol. Nevada and Arizona probably are the most "free", especially out of the states with reasonable winters. If anyone knows of a free state in a good climate other than these, feel free to chime in. We're talking about personal liberties, not economic.
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Old 08-30-2016, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Carrboro, NC
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The libertarian definition of economic freedoms is not the only definition anyway, since they have the opinion that government coercion is bad but corporate coercion is just fine and dandy. Surely, both are bad and a system that keeps all human-run institutions accountable to the democratic process is more free than one that allows too much power to consolidate into too few hands, in either direction?

In that case though, states like Nevada and Arizona are nowhere near the top of the list.
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Old 08-30-2016, 12:42 PM
 
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Which do you think is the most "hands off" state as far as freedom in general? I know that Texas likes to boast this, but at the same time, it's mainly conservative issues that they promote... I'm wondering about freedom across the board. Minimal restriction on anything. Give examples, please... Thank you
"Free" and "hands off" are extremely subjective. Taxing citizens into oblivion is something most liberal states push hard, so both sides (conservative AND liberal) will claim that they're as pure as the driven snow. Too, I know stats can and are, in many but not all cases, played and manipulated to come up with a desired result to meet a certain viewpoint. So I will have to see a lot more than just what the Cato Institute has to say about "freedoms" when that is such an incredibly difficult subject to statistically nail down in a country like America. You line up 5 American citizens and you'll hear 5 different definitions of "free". Not trying to be a wise guy, but when you mentioned the "........it's mainly conservative issues they promote", I knew the partisan Pandora's Box was being opened.
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Old 08-30-2016, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Tempe, AZ
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Thanks for the input. While I don't see myself benefiting from prostitution, I did ask for freedom across the board lol. Nevada and Arizona probably are the most "free", especially out of the states with reasonable winters. If anyone knows of a free state in a good climate other than these, feel free to chime in. We're talking about personal liberties, not economic.
So does weed or prostitution matter more? Lol. I don't see Nevada legalizing marijuana any time soon, I heard the casinos are very proactive against that.

Arizona does have weed legalization on the ballot this year but I see it going 50/50 either way with no clear way of the vote going. Plenty of neocons have moved in and changed the "libertarian" vibes of Arizona, which I personally think has ruined it in so many ways. Which is why I ranked Arizona third and I can only see Arizona going: A) to the blue side or B) even more conservative on social freedoms, as all conservative states have mostly done, minus a few like Alaska and New Hampshire (NH is red, yes?)

As a left-libertarian, I like Colorado the most out of these four. As an Arizonan, Nevada seems pointless IMO as they have more similarities than differences (as in not worth a move). From an outsider I guess it would be worth to weigh the pros and cons of the two states. Las Vegas is the twin of Phoenix, but smaller and really the Strip is the only noticeable difference between the two major cities. I really do mean that. Vegas has better outdoor access than Phoenix itself, being closer to both the Californian beaches, Grand Canyon, southern Utah, Lake Mead, Mount Charleston, etc. while I think Arizona overall offers better outdoors but Phoenix arguably is the one city in Arizona with the least amount of outdoor access (or Yuma maybe).

Florida has "reasonable" winters and almost the exact same gun laws as Arizona so it could be worth looking into, even though it's not in the West. Then again you do have Texas on this list so, I'm not sure.

I'll say it again, New Hampshire is the most libertarian state in the whole Union mostly because of economics. Find a state you like that is closest to it. I do believe NV with no state income tax and legal prostitution and very lax alcohol laws (Arizona is somewhat extreme on alcohol laws in terms of punishments) is high on that last. I should note that the "Free State Project" meant to attract libertarians to one state chose NH for a reason, though I do believe Nevada was in their considerations along with a couple other states. Arizona wasn't by the way.

On social freedoms alone, I might give it to Oregon. Oregon has the "right to die" law passed along with legal weed. Colorado I should note is also voting on the "right to die" law. Oregon's gun laws aren't terribly restrictive like they are in Washington (which is always ranked in the top #10 least gun-free states whereas Oregon is about halfway, and Arizona is always in the top 5 gun-free states, shared with AK, VT, FL, and I believe ID or WY I'm blanking).

So I guess it comes down to weighing which ones are more important to you.
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Old 08-30-2016, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Arvada, CO
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Colorado isn't free, with its toll roads, gambling restricted to 3 isolated towns, emissions testing, the precious pot is only sold in certain cities. It does feel like you're "on your own" when you go to the state for anything though (lol).

Arizona has stifling red-tape when it comes to owning/operating a business. Aside from that, I feel it is more free than Colorado.

My experience with Texas is limited; their high property taxes and lack of legal poker rooms bothers me a bit.

Nevada wins IMO. Their schools suck, but it's a laboratory of innovation we can look to for its successes and failures. It accepts almost everything in one way or another.
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Old 08-30-2016, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Tempe, AZ
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Colorado isn't free, with its toll roads, gambling restricted to 3 isolated towns, emissions testing, the precious pot is only sold in certain cities. It does feel like you're "on your own" when you go to the state for anything though (lol).

Arizona has stifling red-tape when it comes to owning/operating a business. Aside from that, I feel it is more free than Colorado.

My experience with Texas is limited; their high property taxes and lack of legal poker rooms bothers me a bit.

Nevada wins IMO. Their schools suck, but it's a laboratory of innovation we can look to for its successes and failures. It accepts almost everything in one way or another.
Yes Arizona is very strict on owning small business. We have weed on our ballot that will make a small pot business incredibly difficult to own and was against free market principles as it favored already existing dispensaries. I tried to argue this was wrong on a thread in the Arizona forum and I kept getting called ignorant and uneducated (yes those words were used against me) because I said I wouldn't vote on legislation that supported monopolistic business practices. People really don't know that free is subjective to the fine print in legislation. And I use the stuff myself for medical purposes so believe me I want it legal, just not when the stuff will be priced at 30/g+ because the Weed Walmarts that would happen with this legislation work together on artificially raising prices to satisfy their profit margins.

I wasn't aware Colorado restricted sales that way. Isn't it most cities though?
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Old 08-30-2016, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Arvada, CO
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Yes Arizona is very strict on owning small business. We have weed on our ballot that will make a small pot business incredibly difficult to own and was against free market principles as it favored already existing dispensaries. I tried to argue this was wrong on a thread in the Arizona forum and I kept getting called ignorant and uneducated (yes those words were used against me) because I said I wouldn't vote on legislation that supported monopolistic business practices. People really don't know that free is subjective to the fine print in legislation. And I use the stuff myself for medical purposes so believe me I want it legal, just not when the stuff will be priced at 30/g+ because the Weed Walmarts that would happen with this legislation work together on artificially raising prices to satisfy their profit margins.

I wasn't aware Colorado restricted sales that way. Isn't it most cities though?
Colorado Springs is a notable omission. Arvada has none. There are other cities/counties around the state that have banned or placed moratoriums on rec stores.
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Old 08-30-2016, 05:48 PM
 
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Marijuana laws:

Texas: over 4oz = felony
Arizona: any amount = felony
Nevada: 1oz or less (like a joint) if caught 4 times = felony, mandatory sentencing 1-4 years

Colorado, legalized

State Laws

Yep. NV has some of the strictest marijuana laws in the country which is basically because casinos feel like it hurts their business. So the NV government is basically a puppet of the casino industry. Not very free IMO. Cato ranks it as #12 so not horrible but lower then AZ and Colorado
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Old 09-02-2016, 12:15 AM
 
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Depends on your definition of "free". Mine is a reasonable but low tax rates, legalization of marijuana and prostitution (although, I would not partake I think it's silly for these things to be illegal), no gun control for law abiding citizens, same-sex marriage (I may not agree but this is about freedom), school choice, legalization of gambling, etc.

Nevada is first with Arizona coming in a close second. California and New York are by far the worst.
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