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Old 10-12-2016, 07:42 AM
 
Location: West Tennessee
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The south starts 120 miles south of St. Louis near Cape Girardeau.
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Old 10-12-2016, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Arch City
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I have a good friend in St.Louis and his accent is definitely northern. When he comes out West most people actually guess he is from the Northeast. Maybe being Italian has something to do with this. Yet as Northern as he sounds he spouts off the "St Louis is the most northern City of the South" line and he firmly believes it basing it on the cities role in the Civil War.

Outside of St Louis the rest of Missouri sounds Southern to me to some degree, even Kansas City.
Kansas City is not the South. Most of Missouri is not the South. It may sound southern to you but linguistics maps prove it in fact isn't. So you need to get your ears checked...I'm not sure if you've ever heard a Southern accent if Missourians sound Southern to you. I'll believe linguistics experts before I believe you.
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Old 10-12-2016, 06:00 PM
 
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I just scheduled an appointment with an ear doctor myself. But if I give him the reason, he might recommend I see a psychiatrist instead.
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Old 10-13-2016, 05:02 AM
 
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The south starts 120 miles south of St. Louis near Cape Girardeau.
I would agree with that but could even push the gradient more north towards St. Louis. There's definitely south in there.
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Old 10-13-2016, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Arch City
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I would agree with that but could even push the gradient more north towards St. Louis. There's definitely south in there.
No there isn't. St. Louis is not the South at all and has no South in it. Period. You can't push it more north toward St. Louis. I don't know where you're getting the idea it's the South but you truly haven't been to the South if you think St. Louis is part of it. St. Louis is firmly Midwestern and Northern.
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Old 10-13-2016, 08:17 AM
 
Location: West Tennessee
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I would agree with that but could even push the gradient more north towards St. Louis. There's definitely south in there.
I don't see it, not along the Mississippi River anyway. The River Hills (Along the Mississippi River south of St. Louis) are heavily German until at least far northern Cape Girardeau County. That is a classic marker of the midwest. The people that live there are quite rural, but definitely not southern. They don't eat southern foods, they don't sound southern at all, and most importantly they don't consider themselves to be southern. St. Louis always felt completely foreign to me.

Now if you go towards the Ozarks, this isn't necessarily the case. All you have to do is move 1 county inland from the Mississippi River & you get a different culture due to completely different immigration patterns.
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Old 10-13-2016, 12:33 PM
 
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I don't see it, not along the Mississippi River anyway. The River Hills (Along the Mississippi River south of St. Louis) are heavily German until at least far northern Cape Girardeau County. That is a classic marker of the midwest. The people that live there are quite rural, but definitely not southern. They don't eat southern foods, they don't sound southern at all, and most importantly they don't consider themselves to be southern. St. Louis always felt completely foreign to me.

Now if you go towards the Ozarks, this isn't necessarily the case. All you have to do is move 1 county inland from the Mississippi River & you get a different culture due to completely different immigration patterns.
I disagree. In fact in "St. Louis" one county south is noticeably more southern.
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Old 10-13-2016, 01:27 PM
 
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So, some people are trying to categorize St. Louis as southern. It's really subjective, and one opinion has no more value than the next. The reason? St. Louis is in Missouri, which is a part of the Midwest. Unless that changes, all of Missouri is Midwestern. It may have some southern influence, but it's not a part of the south.
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Old 10-13-2016, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Kansas City is not the South. Most of Missouri is not the South. It may sound southern to you but linguistics maps prove it in fact isn't. So you need to get your ears checked...I'm not sure if you've ever heard a Southern accent if Missourians sound Southern to you. I'll believe linguistics experts before I believe you.
Funny enough, pretty much everyone I met that is from Missouri has a distinct northern accent. Not strong like Minnesota but far more northern sounding than southern. Ironically, I had a high school teacher from Chicago who is of Swedish heritage, and he has a more southern accent. Maybe he got it after moving to Florida (where I went to high school) idk. And I had another teacher also from Chicago, who has Mexican ancestry and his accent is the more stereotypical nasal Midwestern accent you'd expect from the first teacher lol.

Kathleen Madigan, the comedienne, is from St. Louis and she's got that same urban Midwestern accent. Sounds Chicagoey.
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Old 10-13-2016, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Arch City
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I disagree. In fact in "St. Louis" one county south is noticeably more southern.
Sorry but you're very wrong. St. Louis and most of the counties north of Cape Girardeau are culturally, demographically, and linguistically not Southern. You have no idea what the South is.
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