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Old 10-17-2016, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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It seems like alot of famous people in the past from Missouri were southern , Jesse james, Frank james, George Washington carver, Mark twain, . Maybe that was just certain counties. these threads in missouri subfroum talks alot about it , I think st louis may have had more southern influence musically during chuck berry, t bone walker, and Johnnie johnson and jazz and jump blues era in the 1950s and earlier but not as much now

Why is Missouri so southern?

Missouri...Southern or Midwestern?

one guy saids "some areas feel very northern and rust-belt-ish (St. Louis) and other more rural areas feel southern (esp. down near the boot heel) "
I have always thought of Southern Missouri southern. I traveled through the area before and it felt very southern to me. Many of my work colleagues are from Springfield, MO and they all consider themselves Southerners and they sound southern as well.
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Old 10-17-2016, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Arch City
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I have always thought of Southern Missouri southern. I traveled through the area before and it felt very southern to me. Many of my work colleagues are from Springfield, MO and they all consider themselves Southerners and they sound southern as well.
The Southern quarter of the state is unquestionably Southern.
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Old 10-17-2016, 04:39 PM
 
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The speech patterns with the exception of St. Louis area are influenced by NCVS traits. The rest of the region is not northern influenced at all with lower midland speech patterns, but aligned more with the South.
It's interesting how fast the "south" comes up just below St. Louis.
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Old 10-17-2016, 04:48 PM
 
Location: IN
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I disagree. The Lower Midwest is not aligned more with the South than the Upper Midwest. Otherwise we would be calling it the Upper South. Dialect maps confirm that most of Missouri, Kansas, Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio fall outside of the Southern dialect range.
Except the majority of those areas have next to nothing in common with the speech patterns of any area of the north, including the Great Lakes region.
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Old 10-17-2016, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Arch City
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I have always thought of Southern Missouri southern. I traveled through the area before and it felt very southern to me. Many of my work colleagues are from Springfield, MO and they all consider themselves Southerners and they sound southern as well.
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Except the majority of those areas have next to nothing in common with the speech patterns of any area of the north, including the Great Lakes region.
The Lower Midwest is the North.
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Old 10-17-2016, 08:20 PM
 
Location: IN
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The Lower Midwest is the North.
It is becoming more southern infused with time due to migration patterns as many areas to the south of that area have very little job growth and lots of out-migration to nearby metro areas that have greater economic opportunities.
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Old 10-17-2016, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Arch City
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It is becoming more southern infused with time due to migration patterns as many areas to the south of that area have very little job growth and lots of out-migration to nearby metro areas that have greater economic opportunities.
No it isn't. I'm sorry the Lower Midwest is the North not the South.
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Old 10-17-2016, 10:01 PM
 
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It's the Midwest. Yes, they were Union states during the Civil War, but they're not as Yankee as the Northeast. When southerners think of northern stereotypes, the Northeast (NJ, NYC, Boston, etc) usually comes to mind. I feel like the South might have more in common with the Midwest, except for maybe Virginia.
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Old 10-18-2016, 06:16 AM
 
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I'd say the lower midwest is definitely more connected with the south.
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Old 10-18-2016, 06:28 AM
 
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It's the Midwest. Yes, they were Union states during the Civil War, but they're not as Yankee as the Northeast. When southerners think of northern stereotypes, the Northeast (NJ, NYC, Boston, etc) usually comes to mind. I feel like the South might have more in common with the Midwest, except for maybe Virginia.
You'd have a hard time convincing me that Wisconsin and Minnesota have more in common with the South. The Midwest is a huge region. The Midwest has a northern boundary, a southern boundary, and in between, there is a middle. Just because these states are all categorized as Midwest, doesn't mean they're the same. Not sure why that's hard for people to comprehend.
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