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Old 10-07-2016, 09:13 AM
 
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I think most linguists would agree that unfamiliarity with a dialect is not really the best qualification for evaluating it's patterns.
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Old 10-07-2016, 09:18 AM
 
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Old 10-09-2016, 11:02 AM
 
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I agree with this.

Interestingly during the Civil War there was a chance that Missouri might join with the South. The fact that Missouri did not has to do a lot with Union officer, Nathaniel Lyon. Lyon was an aggressive commander, sometimes compared to an early version of US Grant or even the northern version of Stonewall Jackson. Had he not been killed so early in the war, the Civil War may have ended sooner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Lyon

If Missouri left the Union and joined the South, it might change the way we view the state even today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_secession (Missouri Secession)
I had ancestors garrisoned at the St. Louis arsenal.
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Old 10-09-2016, 11:19 AM
 
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Regarding German ancestry/Midwesternness:



And, yes, there is a strong, important cultural heritage in Kansas of aggressive anti-southerness that remains potent and widespread to this day. Probably more so than any other state in the US.
This is a good book on how that anti-southern sentiment for started. I also like it because one of my ancestors is in the book.

https://books.google.com/books?id=LW...kansas&f=false
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Old 10-09-2016, 11:39 AM
 
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Interesting map. The colored sections are probably pretty accurate, but the western sections that are not colored are quite strange. Is that some sort of historical perspective? West Texas going into Missouri and even touching Iowa? KC part of the Southwest? Maybe I am not understanding that correctly.
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Old 10-11-2016, 08:05 AM
 
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For whoever said the South starts at St. Louis they clearly know nothing about the South. Only the southern third of Missouri is Southern. St. Louis is firmly Midwestern and Northern way before it is Southern. Very little that's Southern about it especially from a modern standpoint.
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Old 10-11-2016, 11:35 PM
 
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For whoever said the South starts at St. Louis they clearly know nothing about the South. Only the southern third of Missouri is Southern. St. Louis is firmly Midwestern and Northern way before it is Southern. Very little that's Southern about it especially from a modern standpoint.
I have a good friend in St.Louis and his accent is definitely northern. When he comes out West most people actually guess he is from the Northeast. Maybe being Italian has something to do with this. Yet as Northern as he sounds he spouts off the "St Louis is the most northern City of the South" line and he firmly believes it basing it on the cities role in the Civil War.

Outside of St Louis the rest of Missouri sounds Southern to me to some degree, even Kansas City.
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Old 10-12-2016, 03:55 AM
 
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Cities on the Miss are southern
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Old 10-12-2016, 05:24 AM
 
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Cities on the Miss are southern
That's a pretty broad statement, and certainly not true.
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Old 10-12-2016, 07:14 AM
 
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Cities on the Miss are southern
Huh? Yeah Minneapolis is practically the same as New Orleans.
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