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Old 09-05-2016, 10:58 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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I've always thought the Southeast equals the South Atlantic states (or it should in theory...especially when the North it Mid-West and Northeast).

Some of these maps that are supposed to be Southeast are strange because they are basically the entire South sans TX and OK....that's like saying that the Northeast ends at MN and Iowa.
That is because the North, unlike the South, has long been divided into two separate regions (the Midwest and the Northeast). So you really cannot compare the North with the South.

I have been a map junkie since I was a teenager so I more or less see the Southeast as being EAST of the Mississippi River and SOUTH of the Ohio River. Not sure where I got this idea from but it is certainly true that major rivers like the Mississippi and the Ohio make excellent boundary lines for political and geographical reasons.

If you look up "Southeastern United States" and then look at images you will see that most agree with me. Very often they also include Louisiana and Arkansas as part of the Southeast but almost never Texas and Oklahoma. Texas and Oklahoma are usually considered "South Central" and sometimes confusingly even Southwest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_South_Central_States (South Central States aka "Trans-Mississippi" for Civil War buffs)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-...ppi_Department
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Old 09-06-2016, 12:06 AM
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That is because the North, unlike the South, has long been divided into two separate regions (the Midwest and the Northeast). So you really cannot compare the North with the South.

I have been a map junkie since I was a teenager so I more or less see the Southeast as being EAST of the Mississippi River and SOUTH of the Ohio River. Not sure where I got this idea from but it is certainly true that major rivers like the Mississippi and the Ohio make excellent boundary lines for political and geographical reasons.

If you look up "Southeastern United States" and then look at images you will see that most agree with me. Very often they also include Louisiana and Arkansas as part of the Southeast but almost never Texas and Oklahoma. Texas and Oklahoma are usually considered "South Central" and sometimes confusingly even Southwest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_South_Central_States (South Central States aka "Trans-Mississippi" for Civil War buffs)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-...ppi_Department
Additionally, I've always associated the South Centrals & Southeast with time zones too (in elementary school). It's kind of ridiculous for the TN or MS person to observe Central Time and be like "I'm from the Southeast, man." No, you're from the South Central or Mid-South (throw Alabama in there too). It's all about association with me (time zones).
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Old 09-06-2016, 06:43 AM
 
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Additionally, I've always associated the South Centrals & Southeast with time zones too (in elementary school). It's kind of ridiculous for the TN or MS person to observe Central Time and be like "I'm from the Southeast, man." No, you're from the South Central or Mid-South (throw Alabama in there too). It's all about association with me (time zones).
Not exactly true for Tennessee as the state straddles two time zones, Eastern for East Tennessee and Central for Middle and West Tennessee. I see your point though.
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Old 09-06-2016, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Ohio, USA
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The Southeast is the South minus Oklahoma and Texas.
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Old 09-06-2016, 07:11 AM
 
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Additionally, I've always associated the South Centrals & Southeast with time zones too (in elementary school). It's kind of ridiculous for the TN or MS person to observe Central Time and be like "I'm from the Southeast, man." No, you're from the South Central or Mid-South (throw Alabama in there too). It's all about association with me (time zones).
If that's the case, then you should be consistent and apply that line of reasoning to the North. All the Northern states in EST should be the Northeast (OH, MI, IN), and all the ones in CST should be Midwest.

As was stated, the Mississippi and Ohio rivers are most often seen as the regional boundaries for the Southeast, more or less. Most definitions of the Southeast align with that.
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Old 09-06-2016, 07:30 AM
 
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Gladhands,
My opinion, SouthEast is basically Virginia and the Carolinas.
States like Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, etc are Deep, Dirty South..

I would say Eastern Shore of Maryland & Georgia could also be considered culturally and geographically SouthEast.. but I mainly think VA & Carolinas when I hear SouthEast (distinguished from the rest of the South). Just my take.
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Old 09-06-2016, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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The Southeast is the South minus Oklahoma and Texas.
Yeah, this is how I view it too. The Southeast is not the southern version of the Northeast. It's the southern portion of the Eastern United States - all Southern states which aren't in the Southwest. Although there have been attempts to create it, there is no "mid south" or "south Central" region of the country. This makes sense, because culturally speaking the South mostly changes based upon latitude/elevation - from deep coastal plain to Piedmont to Appalachia. Or on a statewide basis, the Gulf Coast states are much more similar to Georgia or South Carolina than they are to Tennessee (minus Memphis) or Kentucky).
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Old 09-06-2016, 08:09 AM
 
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The Southeast is the South minus Oklahoma and Texas.
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Southeast= South without Texas or Oklahoma
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Old 09-06-2016, 08:14 AM
 
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Southeast= South without Texas or Oklahoma
Not entirely certain that either Texas or Oklahoma are the South. East Texas is the South, but it also straddles the Midlands and Southwest.
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Old 09-06-2016, 08:36 AM
 
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Not entirely certain that either Texas or Oklahoma are the South. East Texas is the South, but it also straddles the Midlands and Southwest.
lol I lived in both, Oklahoma is straight south.

For Texas, I agree when you go west of the triangle it gets western quick, but in it all, Texas is a southern state. Most of the state lives in the part considered the south.
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