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View Poll Results: What is your favorite U.S. river city?
Cincinnati 9 5.08%
Pittsburgh 22 12.43%
NYC 15 8.47%
Minneapolis 6 3.39%
Detroit 3 1.69%
St. Louis 21 11.86%
Kansas City, MO 1 0.56%
Philadephia 3 1.69%
Washington, D.C. 4 2.26%
Boston 6 3.39%
Wilminton, DE 0 0%
Providence, RI 0 0%
Richmond, VA 1 0.56%
Memphis, TN 6 3.39%
Nashville, TN 1 0.56%
Chattanooga, TN 1 0.56%
Knoxville, TN 2 1.13%
Wilmington, NC 1 0.56%
Charleston, SC 3 1.69%
Savannah, GA 5 2.82%
New Orleans, LA 11 6.21%
Jacksonville, FL 2 1.13%
Portland, OR 11 6.21%
Sacramento, CA 4 2.26%
San Antonio, TX 11 6.21%
Omaha, NE 11 6.21%
other (specify in your post) 17 9.60%
Voters: 177. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-25-2008, 09:40 PM
 
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actually the tallest building in the background is half a mile away from the river, 7 blocks not too far at all
I'm sorry, but that still seems mighty far away. Compared to true "river cities" like Saint Louis, Louisville, Memphis, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and New Orleans--whose downtowns are right smack ON the river--the picture you showed is of a city which looks like being on a river was more of an afterthought.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, and it doesn't mean your city isn't a great place to live. But I would not consider that to be a true river city

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Old 02-25-2008, 10:09 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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Is that basically what "Missouri" means? It's either something about canoes or something about muddy water. I don't really remember.
Missouri means "canoe people". Nothing muddy in there
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:13 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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The city spreads west from the river. The east side of the river is Iowa. The downtown is only a few blocks west of the river.

BTW, the "Big Muddy" is the Missouri, not the Missiissippi.
Actually that's right, I did forget about that, the Big Muddy is the Missouri, but the Mississippi is usually not called the "Muddy Mississippi" unless it is south of the Ohio River. The Mississippi River below the Ohio River is very wide, MUCH bigger than here and extremely brown and muddy compared to north of it. The Mississippi north of the Ohio River is generally referred to as the Middle Mississippi to the Missouri River, and above there the Upper Mississippi, although the dimensions of the Upper Mississippi are not drastically smaller than that of the Middle Mississippi. It essentially looks like the same river around Hannibal and Quincy, Illinois. Normally, all of the Mississippi above the Ohio is considered the Upper Mississippi. The Mississippi River around St. Louis is maybe 3/4 of a mile wide if that...around Memphis it is close to one and a half miles wide...it's incredible how much larger it is, it's like a completely different river. South of the OHio River, the Mississippi is extremely big, brown, wide, and free-flowing.
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:44 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I'm sorry, but that still seems mighty far away. Compared to true "river cities" like Saint Louis, Louisville, Memphis, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and New Orleans--whose downtowns are right smack ON the river--the picture you showed is of a city which looks like being on a river was more of an afterthought.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, and it doesn't mean your city isn't a great place to live. But I would not consider that to be a true river city
Kind of an arbitrary definition if you ask me. In Pittsburgh, the shopping area of downtown is not on the riverfront. And the upscale neighborhoods like Shadyside and Squirrel Hill are not near the rivers at all. Granted, you don't cross the river in Omaha unless you're going to Iowa, but it's there.
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Old 02-25-2008, 11:31 PM
 
Location: Southeast Missouri
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The Mississippi was much wider when Lewis and Clark crossed it, but it has been narrowed since then.

And an earthquake actually changed its direction and caused it to flow backwards for 3 days. That's why there's an Illinois town on the western side of the Mississippi.
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:11 AM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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The Mississippi was much wider when Lewis and Clark crossed it, but it has been narrowed since then.

And an earthquake actually changed its direction and caused it to flow backwards for 3 days. That's why there's an Illinois town on the western side of the Mississippi.
I'm a little confused, an Illinois town on the Western side of the Mississippi? Please explain...i'm not attacking your statement, just asking for clarification of it. Thanks
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Old 02-26-2008, 07:18 AM
 
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Kind of an arbitrary definition if you ask me. In Pittsburgh, the shopping area of downtown is not on the riverfront. And the upscale neighborhoods like Shadyside and Squirrel Hill are not near the rivers at all. Granted, you don't cross the river in Omaha unless you're going to Iowa, but it's there.
No, it's not arbitrary at all. If your definition of a "river city" is merely any city that happens to be located on a river, that would be just about any city in the country.

But a true "river city" is one whose very heart and soul is centered on its river. That means places like Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Louisville, Saint Louis, Memphis, New Orleans, and even smaller towns like Paducah and Vicksburg.

That would exclude Omaha. Even my beloved Knoxville, located on the Tennessee River, is hardly a "river city." Just because there's some new development going up by the river, as if the city has all of a sudden realized that there even IS a river in their town, doesn't make it a river city.

It's too bad that you're taking this so personally, and I apologize if I made it sound like your city is any less valued than true river cities.
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Old 02-26-2008, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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I gave up on you a long time ago chitownwarrior, but ST. Louis is nowhere even REMOTELY half-Southern and half Midwestern. That Miller is getting to your head, maybe Budweiser would knock some sense into you. St. Louis is definitively Midwestern, with a few Southern characteristics, no two ways of going about it, and I say this not because I'm afraid of being Southern, which is the defense Chicagoans like you use when we tell you otherwise, but because it is the TRUTH. And just to put a little goodness into your fountain of bad facts, the Mississippi is not the Big Muddy until about 150 miles to the south of St. Louis where it meets the Ohio River. The same type of river city culture that is in St. Louis is in Detroit and Chicago, and Detroit is a river city as well. Motown jazz, blues, casinos on the river....gee, how unlike St. Louis. Having grown up here my whole life and having family both from the South and the Midwest, I know which region my city identifies. But I will agree that St. Louis is a great city. A great Midwestern city in a great Midwestern state
you're a very peculiar person. how bout just appreciate the pictures i posted and took the time to gather of your city. i didn't have to do that you know.

I defend your freaking city all the time, and the only thing you do is be a little b*(ch complaining about stupid little details. stop being a little whiner and stop complaining all the time.
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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you're a very peculiar person. how bout just appreciate the pictures i posted and took the time to gather of your city. i didn't have to do that you know.

I defend your freaking city all the time, and the only thing you do is be a little b*(ch complaining about stupid little details. stop being a little whiner and stop complaining all the time.
I think your description of St. Louis is dead on. At least that's our opinion as Chicagoans. I also, think you were being quite complementary. Instead of half-southern, you could have said podunk. However, because you like St. Louis, as do I, you chose to be p.c., instead of calling a spade a spade. LOL. Mmmm, I could really go for some of that southern St. Louis BBQ! LOL
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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I think your description of St. Louis is dead on. At least that's our opinion as Chicagoans. I also, think you were being quite complementary. Instead of half-southern, you could have said podunk. However, because you like St. Louis, as do I, you chose to be p.c., instead of calling a spade a spade. LOL. Mmmm, I could really go for some of that southern St. Louis BBQ! LOL
THANKYOU. I'm so complimentary when talking about st. louis, and all afj is complain and whine like a baby, in turn making St. Louis look sooo bad. Maybe he's 12 years old, I don't know, but how about be grateful when other people talk up your city!? I always am when people talk up chicago...
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