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View Poll Results: Which city best meets the criteria LISTED BELOW developed by a black, male lawyer, age 30, looking f
Phoenix 0 0%
San Jose 1 3.13%
Fort Lauderdale 1 3.13%
Washington, D.C. 9 28.13%
Honolulu 0 0%
Charlotte, NC 3 9.38%
San Diego 0 0%
Omaha 0 0%
Seattle 1 3.13%
Houston 5 15.63%
Berkeley, CA 0 0%
Portland 0 0%
San Francisco 1 3.13%
Cayman Islands 2 6.25%
Landra Heights, CA 1 3.13%
Vancouver 1 3.13%
Chicago 5 15.63%
West Palm Beach, FL 2 6.25%
Voters: 32. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-23-2008, 02:10 PM
 
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If it's Houston vs. San Francisco...

I don't know. I think you'd probably like SF better. Maybe San Jose on that note.

(I initially said DC, by the way, because I think the VA suburbs could be a good fit...)
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Old 02-23-2008, 04:24 PM
 
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Out of your list, here's what I say.
  1. Agree
  2. Agree about Houston, not San Fran. Not to say they're racist, but most blacks live in Oakland which is not that great of an area and is getting worse.
  3. SF, SD, and Seattle have the best shopping. Then SJ. Houston last. It's is cheaper though.
  4. SF is one of the most liberal cities in America.
  5. Agree. SD second.
  6. Make that SD and SJ. Houston gets extremely humid while at the same time can be over 100. It's usually at least 90 with extreme humidity. San Jose is the warmest area of the Bay Area and has upper 80's to lower 90's in the summer. SD only gets into the upper 70's to lower 80's. They have the same winter weather.
  7. Agree. Seattle would be second.
  8. Disagree. San Francisco has the whites in the nice areas and hispanics in the poor areas. You need to go into the metro area to find diversity. Oakland has the Hispanics and Blacks. San Jose the Asians.
  9. SJ has some of the best tech jobs in the country.
  10. SJ is the most modern. It's definitely one of the newest cities. All the freeways are pretty much brand-spankin' new.
  11. SF would probably be the easiest. Seattle may be bad in spring when all the flowers bloom after the rainy winter. SD is good until Santa Ana winds come. Houston would probably be bad. SJ wouldn't be too bad.
  12. Agree
I would probably rank it this way.
  1. SD
  2. SJ
  3. Seattle
  4. SF
  5. Ladera Heights
  6. DC
  7. Houston
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Old 02-23-2008, 04:33 PM
 
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Out of your list, here's what I say.
  1. Agree
  2. Agree about Houston, not San Fran. Not to say they're racist, but most blacks live in Oakland which is not that great of an area and is getting worse.
  3. SF, SD, and Seattle have the best shopping. Then SJ. Houston last. It's is cheaper though.
  4. SF is one of the most liberal cities in America.
  5. Agree. SD second.
  6. Make that SD and SJ. Houston gets extremely humid while at the same time can be over 100. It's usually at least 90 with extreme humidity. San Jose is the warmest area of the Bay Area and has upper 80's to lower 90's in the summer. SD only gets into the upper 70's to lower 80's. They have the same winter weather.
  7. Agree. Seattle would be second.
  8. Disagree. San Francisco has the whites in the nice areas and hispanics in the poor areas. You need to go into the metro area to find diversity. Oakland has the Hispanics and Blacks. San Jose the Asians.
  9. SJ has some of the best tech jobs in the country.
  10. SJ is the most modern. It's definitely one of the newest cities. All the freeways are pretty much brand-spankin' new.
  11. SF would probably be the easiest. Seattle may be bad in spring when all the flowers bloom after the rainy winter. SD is good until Santa Ana winds come. Houston would probably be bad. SJ wouldn't be too bad.
  12. Agree
I would probably rank it this way.
  1. SD
  2. SJ
  3. Seattle
  4. SF
  5. Ladera Heights
  6. DC
  7. Houston
Thanks for the great analysis. How did you reach that ranking, however? The higher factors are worth a bit more I think. So how could SD finish first without winning any of the top 5 factors? Wouldn't SF rank higher based on your analysis? I like your ranking in the abstract very much. But to play devil's advocate for a moment, how did you arrive at that ranking?
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Old 02-23-2008, 05:03 PM
 
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Thanks for the great analysis. How did you reach that ranking, however? The higher factors are worth a bit more I think. So how could SD finish first without winning any of the top 5 factors? Wouldn't SF rank higher based on your analysis? I like your ranking in the abstract very much. But to play devil's advocate for a moment, how did you arrive at that ranking?
I'm sorry, I guess I'm just a little biased coming from SoCal. But, if you want the year round warm weather, SD would be the best for sure. Then SJ. SF is usually cold and foggy in winter and rarely gets out of the 70's in the summer.

So, I guess SJ would be first, but not SF.

How bout in no particular order: SD, SJ, SF, DC.
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Old 02-23-2008, 05:05 PM
 
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As a male African-American professional living in America today, my suggestion would be Europe. I lived and worked in Rome for years and loved every minute of it. There I wasn't Black or African-American, I was simply referred to as "the American boy".(no negative connotation w/ 'boy' in Europe) Also, no glass ceilings. Good Luck!

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Old 02-23-2008, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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As a male African-American professional living in America today, my suggestion would be Europe. I lived and worked in Rome for years and loved every minute of it. There I wasn't Black or African-American, I was simply referred to as "the American boy".(no negative connotation w/ 'boy' in Europe) Also, no glass ceilings. Good Luck!
Agree... That's why I voted for the Cayman Islands... But I guess he's no longer considering it. Too bad. I doubt you'd ever hear any negative "boy" there. In fact, on many of the islands the black men are addressed as Mars (e.g. Mars Smith). Mars is a derivation of "Master."

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Old 02-23-2008, 05:59 PM
 
Location: from houstoner to bostoner to new yorker to new jerseyite ;)
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Houston gets extremely humid while at the same time can be over 100. It's usually at least 90 with extreme humidity.
Just a clarification on Houston weather... Houston is hot and humid about five months out of the year, from around late May to October. It rarely gets above 100 degrees. It also rains fairly often during spring/summer, not every day, but when it does it's sudden and it pours, then stops abruptly. The rest of the year, from October to May, the weather is pretty mild, with the pleasant early spring-like weather like what we've experienced so far this year, though it gets chilly and can freeze at times during winter, especially at night.
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Old 02-23-2008, 06:04 PM
 
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As a male African-American professional living in America today, my suggestion would be Europe. I lived and worked in Rome for years and loved every minute of it. There I wasn't Black or African-American, I was simply referred to as "the American boy".(no negative connotation w/ 'boy' in Europe) Also, no glass ceilings. Good Luck!
You of course raise an excellent point. I am never quite sure what to make of the - for lack of a better way of describing it, so I will just say it - racial environment, tolerance, and so on in Europe? One minute I hear that blacks are loved in Italy, the next I hear some scandal in Europe involving heckling of black soccer players. On a day to day basis, what was your experience with it - or lack of it, hopefully - while you were there? And were you there recently?
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Old 02-23-2008, 06:07 PM
 
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Agree... That's why I voted for the Cayman Islands... But I guess he's no longer considering it. Too bad. I doubt you'd ever hear any negative "boy" there. In fact, on many of the islands the black men are addressed as Mars (e.g. Mars Smith). Mars is a derivation of "Master."
The Cayman Islands is not out of consideration - were just trying to parse through some of the finer points - with respect to some of the other places. My concern about the Cayman Islands is that I'm not sure it makes for a good launching point or location for a startup company, to be frank. I am not sure of the talent pool there. But convince me I'm wrong please -
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Old 02-23-2008, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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You of course raise an excellent point. I am never quite sure what to make of the - for lack of a better way of describing it, so I will just say it - racial environment, tolerance, and so on in Europe? One minute I hear that blacks are loved in Italy, the next I hear some scandal in Europe involving heckling of black soccer players. On a day to day basis, what was your experience with it - or lack of it, hopefully - while you were there? And were you there recently?
Well to be honest with you. I encountered out and out, in your face, racism in Germany of all places. I'd always been told that because of the U.S. military bases we were all over the place, that the Germans didn't have a problem with Blacks. Here I am standing at the hostess podium in a restaurant in Frankfort, being totally ignored. Finally, I was like "can a brotha get a table?". That's what I was thinking. I asked to be seated nicely, like all the patrons before me had been. That b**ch handed me a menu, with a nasty look on her face and a nasty tone in her voice, and told me get my own damn table. I almost lost my religion(and my inner west side was coming to the surface) when my girlfriend arrived and talked me down.(like she said these people play by different rules, you don't want to end up, locked up)

As far as Italy goes, I never really had too many problems, but you never know what anyone is really thinking. All I know is that I had a lot of friends there, and had no problem dating. In southern Europe there seems to be a lot more Africans than African-Americans. It was 2005 when I last lived there. As far as the black soccer players, when it comes to Europe, North America, Australia(anywhere dominated by people of European descent) black is still black. It's just a matter of which one has the least ugly history towards blacks and which is more accepting. KEEP HOPE ALIVE!
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