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View Poll Results: Which U.S. city is biggest on hockey?
Boston 25 16.56%
Chicago 17 11.26%
Detroit 39 25.83%
New York 3 1.99%
Philadelphia 27 17.88%
Pittsburgh 11 7.28%
Los Angeles 2 1.32%
Other 27 17.88%
Voters: 151. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-07-2016, 10:26 AM
 
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Minneapolis-St Paul, Boston, Denver are what I think of.
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Old 10-07-2016, 11:36 AM
 
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Denver is NOT a hockey town. No one talks about it here. Only when they won their cups with Sakic, Forsberg, and Bourque was there any interest. Local media treats them like they don't exist.
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Old 10-07-2016, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities (StP)
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Why has this digressed into an NHL discussion?
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Old 10-08-2016, 02:58 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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Why has this digressed into an NHL discussion?
it's fall, most of the real hockey fans are out in the woods tracking prey and curing meat or driving the youngsters to yet another practice
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Old 10-08-2016, 06:33 AM
 
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Dollar Bill Wirtz is one of many terrible dinosaur owners, but it still doesn't justify the attendance issues.

The Rangers and Leafs have had inept ownership for decades and fans still show up, and don't tell me its because Toronto is more of a hockey town or New York is simply bigger. They're all huge sports towns and markets.why

Chicago gets a ton of excuses.

Boston however, definitely doesn't deserve excuses. With all the college hockey there and players from there, it's inexcusable for the Bruins to draw half a crowd in most of the 2000's before their eventual Cup in 2011. That is why I don't buy anything regarding Boston being a great hockey town.

Boston is an overrated sports town in general. All these championships made it look good, but it won't look as good when all the bandwagon fans go away and their teams start to suck again just like the pre-2000s.
College Hockey is why Bruins attendance suffers (and with that it never got as bad as Pitt or Chicago), why spend $60 to see your team lose, when you can spend $18 and watch a team you equally like win?
In Philly or Detroit the NHL is all the hockey you get (Unless UMich counts a Detroit).
It is the same problem the Indiana Pacers have, its not that Basketball isn't popular in Indiana, its that they compete with IU, Purdue, Notre Dame and Indiana State.
Its not impossible for 40,000+ to be at Hockey games around the Boston area on a Friday or Saturday night, between College and Pro.
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Old 10-08-2016, 09:25 AM
 
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College Hockey is why Bruins attendance suffers (and with that it never got as bad as Pitt or Chicago), why spend $60 to see your team lose, when you can spend $18 and watch a team you equally like win?
In Philly or Detroit the NHL is all the hockey you get (Unless UMich counts a Detroit).
It is the same problem the Indiana Pacers have, its not that Basketball isn't popular in Indiana, its that they compete with IU, Purdue, Notre Dame and Indiana State.
Its not impossible for 40,000+ to be at Hockey games around the Boston area on a Friday or Saturday night, between College and Pro.



All that college football in Texas really keeps the attendance down for the NFL, huh. Great logic there. NCAAF doesn't affect the attendance of the Cowboys or Texans one ****ing iota.

Please. That's no excuse for a metro area of 4.5 million to not attend the highest level of hockey.

So many excuses for Boston, all the time. You act as if there are 600 college hockey teams in Boston. BC and BU generate 99% of the interest. That's it. There's the Beanpot. Whoopty-doo!

U of Michigan or U of Minnesota probably has the best college hockey program. U of Michigan also has the most national championships (9). Then U of North Dakota (8). Then U of Denver. Then U of Wisconsin-Madison. Then U of Minnesota. Then BC and BU.

Michigan and Minnesota are the two best states for hockey. Upstate NY represents NY pretty great as well (Patrick Kane will probably go down as the greatest American player of all-time, and he's from Buffalo).

NYC gets ripped for not being a hockey town because it has 20 million people to attend games at MSG (always sold out). So apparently NYC can't be a hockey town, which is total BS. But the Bruins can't sellout because of two college hockey teams! Right..

Inline hockey in Philadelphia is also massive. Easily of the top places to play because of the plethora of indoor facilities. Inline hockey in Philadelphia is huge and it's where Mike Richter got his start (the greatest American goalie of all-time).

This is like Donald Trump levels of idiocy.
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Old 10-08-2016, 09:34 AM
 
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Can't get more current figures but MA did experience a decline in ice hockey enrollment five years ago and has since recovered slightly. Figures show a -4% decline in enrollment from 2000-2010 in youth hockey in MA.

PA experienced a 20% increase in youth hockey enrollment from 2000-2010.

Right now, MA ranks 4th in national hockey enrollment rankings, and PA ranks 5th.

My state (NY) ranks 3rd, ahead of both.

https://unitedstatesofhockey.com/201...s-for-2013-14/

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Old 10-08-2016, 10:43 AM
 
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All that college football in Texas really keeps the attendance down for the NFL, huh. Great logic there. NCAAF doesn't affect the attendance of the Cowboys or Texans one ****ing iota.

Please. That's no excuse for a metro area of 4.5 million to not attend the highest level of hockey.

So many excuses for Boston, all the time. You act as if there are 600 college hockey teams in Boston. BC and BU generate 99% of the interest. That's it. There's the Beanpot. Whoopty-doo!

U of Michigan or U of Minnesota probably has the best college hockey program. U of Michigan also has the most national championships (9). Then U of North Dakota (8). Then U of Denver. Then U of Wisconsin-Madison. Then U of Minnesota. Then BC and BU.

Michigan and Minnesota are the two best states for hockey. Upstate NY represents NY pretty great as well (Patrick Kane will probably go down as the greatest American player of all-time, and he's from Buffalo).

NYC gets ripped for not being a hockey town because it has 20 million people to attend games at MSG (always sold out). So apparently NYC can't be a hockey town, which is total BS. But the Bruins can't sellout because of two college hockey teams! Right..

Inline hockey in Philadelphia is also massive. Easily of the top places to play because of the plethora of indoor facilities. Inline hockey in Philadelphia is huge and it's where Mike Richter got his start (the greatest American goalie of all-time).

This is like Donald Trump levels of idiocy.
Its not like people were not showing up at all, the Garden was never less than about 85% full, and NESN Bruins broadcasts were still amongst the most viewed in the league, even when they were horrible.
UMass Lowell and Northeastern are also elite Hockey Programs.
Within the Boston MSA there is BC, BU, Northeastern, Harvard, UMass Lowell, UNH, Merrimack, and Bentley. Within the CSA is Holy Cross, Dartmouth, Providence and Brown. That is 20% of College Hockey in the Boston area.
I can personally attest to the fact that people really do go to College Hockey games, I have been to more UMass Lowell games than Bruins Games, and I didn't ever attend classes there. The Tsongas Center is always packed.
and College sports do effect pro-sports markets, just look at Austin Texas, almost every city its size has at least 1 pro sport, but UT sucks up all sports dollars.
The Twin Cities is the Hockey Center of the US, but of the cities on the list, Boston is it.
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Old 10-08-2016, 10:57 AM
 
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Its not like people were not showing up at all, the Garden was never less than about 85% full, and NESN Bruins broadcasts were still amongst the most viewed in the league, even when they were horrible.
UMass Lowell and Northeastern are also elite Hockey Programs.
Within the Boston MSA there is BC, BU, Northeastern, Harvard, UMass Lowell, UNH, Merrimack, and Bentley. Within the CSA is Holy Cross, Dartmouth, Providence and Brown. That is 20% of College Hockey in the Boston area.
I can personally attest to the fact that people really do go to College Hockey games, I have been to more UMass Lowell games than Bruins Games, and I didn't ever attend classes there. The Tsongas Center is always packed.
and College sports do effect pro-sports markets, just look at Austin Texas, almost every city its size has at least 1 pro sport, but UT sucks up all sports dollars.
The Twin Cities is the Hockey Center of the US, but of the cities on the list, Boston is it.

When Boston can sell out when the team sucks, Boston can talk. Until then, not a ****ing chance. Full of bandwagon fans.

NESN Bruins broadcasts were not among the most viewed in the league. The Bruins were awful for almost 20 years before 2011. Got any proof for that? Any links?

How many times are the Bruins gonna change their logo to stay relevant? That's unheard of for such a historic Original Six team to do. Red Wings haven't. Blackhawks haven't. Rangers haven't. Canadiens haven't. Maple Leafs just did after decades of not changing it. Flyers haven't. Blues haven't.

I think the Bruins have changed their logo the most for a team that has been in the league over 50 years.

CSA figures? Really?

Continue to boost all you want. Boston is an overrated sports town. It'll show it's true colors when the teams start to suck again like they did pre-2000s.

I've been to St. Paul and Buffalo. Those two cities mop the floor with Boston when it comes to hockey. Sorry bud.
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Old 10-08-2016, 11:00 AM
 
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Stanley Cup Finals ratings from 1995-2008.

6.4 million viewer average for Detroit-Philadelphia in 1997 is the highest in the last 20 years.

NHL Stanley Cup Finals TV Ratings, 1995-2008 – TV By The Numbers by zap2it.com
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