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Old 09-20-2016, 08:56 AM
 
Location: NYC/CLE
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OK, so where are the 14 rail lines for Philly?

SEPTA has like 7 lines, they just count them twice, rather than once, as with most transit routes in the world.

And not even one SEPTA line has equivalent service to Washington Metro. One of the routes has like two trains and a few dozen riders a day.

The entire SEPTA regional rail system combined has fewer riders than just one Washington Metro line. It's a good service, but you can't realistically say it's a better system than Washington Metro. I take it all the time, and it's very low frequency service, small trains with low capacity (almost more like a bus route) and moderate ridership outside of rush hour.
13 for SEPTA and 1 for NJ transit.
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Old 09-21-2016, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Philly, PA
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I will say this i don't think any other region comes close to having such connectivity and accessibility like PA/NY/NJ via SEPTA,MTA,NJT,PATH, AND PATCO.
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Old 09-21-2016, 02:45 PM
 
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I will say this i don't think any other region comes close to having such connectivity and accessibility like PA/NY/NJ via SEPTA,MTA,NJT,PATH, AND PATCO.
No question, this region (and to a lesser extent, the entire NE corridor) is the closest this country comes to Europe or Japan in this aspect. But even here, the U.S. fall short. In Europe and Japan, train lines form spider webs across the entire country. Our system is linear with the Amtrak/Acela line (our weak answer to true HSR) forming a single line, with commuter rail systems sprouting from each city's downtown. It's why, even in a great (by US standards) rail commuter city, there are significant nearby cities that have no rail connection at all, such as the huge Lehigh valley (the 3rd largest metropolitan region beyond Philly and Pittsburgh). Atlantic City really isn't connected in my book. AC does have the 1 diesel NJT line that goes to Philly's 30th Street Station while it really should have electrified service connecting with Philly, New York and the entire Jersey shore, stretching down to its tip at Cape May...

Washington, D.C. is similar with Annapolis (the Maryland capital and a major, historic city/region) despite sitting in a triangle being less than 35 miles from downtown D.C. or Baltimore. Now way these situations would exist in the industrialized European nations. Hell, even semi-3rd world countries like Hungary and Serbia have more comprehensive rail service than the U.S.

... then, of course, if you move away from the Northeast Corridor, the United States gets downright ridiculous in terms of (the lack of) rail passenger service where even Canada's VIA rail system is more comprehensive despite the U.S. being about 10-times Canada's size in terms of population.
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Old 09-21-2016, 11:23 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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No question, this region (and to a lesser extent, the entire NE corridor) is the closest this country comes to Europe or Japan in this aspect. But even here, the U.S. fall short. In Europe and Japan, train lines form spider webs across the entire country. Our system is linear with the Amtrak/Acela line (our weak answer to true HSR) forming a single line, with commuter rail systems sprouting from each city's downtown. It's why, even in a great (by US standards) rail commuter city, there are significant nearby cities that have no rail connection at all, such as the huge Lehigh valley (the 3rd largest metropolitan region beyond Philly and Pittsburgh). Atlantic City really isn't connected in my book. AC does have the 1 diesel NJT line that goes to Philly's 30th Street Station while it really should have electrified service connecting with Philly, New York and the entire Jersey shore, stretching down to its tip at Cape May...

Washington, D.C. is similar with Annapolis (the Maryland capital and a major, historic city/region) despite sitting in a triangle being less than 35 miles from downtown D.C. or Baltimore. Now way these situations would exist in the industrialized European nations. Hell, even semi-3rd world countries like Hungary and Serbia have more comprehensive rail service than the U.S.

... then, of course, if you move away from the Northeast Corridor, the United States gets downright ridiculous in terms of (the lack of) rail passenger service where even Canada's VIA rail system is more comprehensive despite the U.S. being about 10-times Canada's size in terms of population.
Annapolis only has a population of 38,000 people.
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