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View Poll Results: Most Northern state?
Maine 21 14.09%
Vermont 8 5.37%
New Hampshire 0 0%
Massachusetts 37 24.83%
Rhode Island 0 0%
Connecticut 4 2.68%
New York 29 19.46%
Michigan 3 2.01%
Wisconsin 2 1.34%
Minnesota 41 27.52%
North Dakota 3 2.01%
South Dakota 0 0%
Nebraska 1 0.67%
Voters: 149. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-04-2018, 08:27 PM
 
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You think that a Union Busting Republican could get elected in Rhode Island or Massachusetts?
Are unions big in Massachusetts? Charlie Baker is a Democrat? Lol, I think not. AND, four of your last five governors were Republican.

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Old 02-05-2018, 05:41 AM
 
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Are unions big in Massachusetts? Charlie Baker is a Democrat? Lol, I think not. AND, four of your last five governors were Republican.
You don't see Scott Walkers busting Unions you see Mitt Romneys passing Universal healthcare. Totally different Republicans. Mike Pence of Indiana and MCoy of North Carolina are cut from the same cloth. And RI, MA, NJ, MI and NY are top 5states for Unions as % of the Workforce

Trump got 35% of the vote in Massachusetts he got 47% in MN and 53% in GA. He won WI, MI, OH, IN, and PA

Politically the Midwest of today more aligned with the South than the Northeast is with the south.
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Old 02-05-2018, 05:45 AM
 
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So you actually believe that the Midwest and the South have more in common than the Midwest and the Northeast?
No the Midwest has more in common with the South than New England has with the South, but they are more like each other than the South. But because the Midwest is more similar to the South than NE is it's less Northern.
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Old 02-05-2018, 07:03 AM
 
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No the Midwest has more in common with the South than New England has with the South, but they are more like each other than the South. But because the Midwest is more similar to the South than NE is it's less Northern.


Honestly, I had a real funny response, but I've decided it's not worth it. Keep on believin' what you want...at least it provides some comedic relief. You do know, though, that Wisconsin troops fought with the Union Army,right?
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Old 02-05-2018, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Twin Cities (StP)
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No the Midwest has more in common with the South than New England has with the South, but they are more like each other than the South. But because the Midwest is more similar to the South than NE is it's less Northern.
The upper Midwest has nothing in common with the South. If you are going to use a subsection of the Northeast then at least use a subsection of the Midwest.
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Old 02-05-2018, 08:01 AM
 
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Honestly, I had a real funny response, but I've decided it's not worth it. Keep on believin' what you want...at least it provides some comedic relief. You do know, though, that Wisconsin troops fought with the Union Army,right?
I think you struggle with reading comprehension. What I am saying is if there was a continuum of similarities with the South New England would be like a 0 the upper Midwest would be like a 3 and the lower Midwest would be like a 5 if Alabama was a 15

What I am not saying is the Midwest is more southern than Northern.
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Old 02-05-2018, 08:02 AM
 
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I think you struggle with reading comprehension. What I am saying is if there was a continuum of similarities with the South New England would be like a 0 the upper Midwest would be like a 3 and the lower Midwest would be like a 5 if Alabama was a 15

What I am not saying is the Midwest is more southern than Northern.
You're putting in way too much effort.
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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You don't see Scott Walkers busting Unions you see Mitt Romneys passing Universal healthcare. Totally different Republicans. Mike Pence of Indiana and MCoy of North Carolina are cut from the same cloth. And RI, MA, NJ, MI and NY are top 5states for Unions as % of the Workforce

Trump got 35% of the vote in Massachusetts he got 47% in MN and 53% in GA. He won WI, MI, OH, IN, and PA

Politically the Midwest of today more aligned with the South than the Northeast is with the south.
This is a loaded statement, because the Midwest is such a large and diverse region that yes, SOME parts (like Kansas, Missouri, lower Illinois and Indiana) are more aligned with the South, but other parts like Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, northern Illinois, Michigan and Ohio are NOT. Presidential elections don't paint the whole picture. Most of the people who voted for Trump in Minnesota did not vote for the reason or have the same values as those who voted for Trump in Arkansas. All of this is irrelevant, though, as it does not make the Midwest any less northern.

Also, we need to stop using the 2016 election as a political compass on how states normally vote, because that election was not just a sh*t show... it was a diarrhea opera. Neither of the two major candidates were popular and it was a very polarising year, politically. Look at past trends from the 2012 and before that. Obama was likeable, Bush was likeable, Bill Clinton was likeable, and out of the two, Trump was more likeable than Hillary but far, far more controversial at the same time.
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Nashville TN, Cincinnati, OH
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This is a loaded statement, because the Midwest is such a large and diverse region that yes, SOME parts (like Kansas, Missouri, lower Illinois and Indiana) are more aligned with the South, but other parts like Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, northern Illinois, Michigan and Ohio are NOT. Presidential elections don't paint the whole picture. Most of the people who voted for Trump in Minnesota did not vote for the reason or have the same values as those who voted for Trump in Arkansas. All of this is irrelevant, though, as it does not make the Midwest any less northern.

Also, we need to stop using the 2016 election as a political compass on how states normally vote, because that election was not just a sh*t show... it was a diarrhea opera. Neither of the two major candidates were popular and it was a very polarising year, politically. Look at past trends from the 2012 and before that. Obama was likeable, Bush was likeable, Bill Clinton was likeable, and out of the two, Trump was more likeable than Hillary but far, far more controversial at the same time.
I agree with you that comment was a pretty ignorant statement by the last poster. Even the South is not as conservative as people think with cities like Atlanta, New Orleans and Miami. The Midwest is the most evenly split between DEM and GOP of anyway in the country and that is good. I am liberal but I would not want to live in a nanny state like California, MA or NY again.
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Old 02-05-2018, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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I think you struggle with reading comprehension. What I am saying is if there was a continuum of similarities with the South New England would be like a 0 the upper Midwest would be like a 3 and the lower Midwest would be like a 5 if Alabama was a 15

What I am not saying is the Midwest is more southern than Northern.
I get what your trying to say. I have lived in the upper Midwest before, rural far northern Michigan. I currently live in Rural Tennessee. I have never lived in the northeast but have spent some time there for work. First I will repeat what I said from previous posts, the upper Midwest is nothing like the northeast. Having lived in the Midwest and currently in the South this is how I see it.

The upper Midwest has a culture based in it German and Scandinavian roots, it is a rural culture at its core, it is strongly religious (in a different more reserved way than the south) and politically its complicated. It’s politics are center or even a bit right of center on social issues, left of center on economic issues.

The northeast is far more urban, fast paced and down to business, it is not a polite society like the Midwest. There is no “Minnesota nice” in New York. People in the NE just tell you how they feel. The northeast culture is more a mix of Italian, Eastern Europeans and Anglophone Americans, quite different from the Northern Europeans that make up most of the Midwest.

The south is a mix of Anglophone, Celtic, and black heritage. It is religious and conservative. People are open and friendly for the most part. Like the Midwest the south is a rural culture, slower paced and easy going.

Those are my takes on the three regions and IMO they are all quite different from one another. Some posters claim the Midwest and northeast are the same and somehow the north is a culturally homogeneous region. It is not and those claims are based on an erroneous belief that because the early settlers of the Midwest were from the northeast that somehow the Yankee culture still dominates today. This view discounts the reality that hundreds of thousands of German and Scandinavian immigrants overwhelmed the culture of the tens of thousands of original Yankee settlers of the Midwest. The nature, accent and religious beliefs of the modern Midwesterner has far more to do with the German/Scandinavian immigrants than it does with a few New Yorkers who followed the Erie Canal west. Really the place names they left behind are all that remains of New York culture. The other argument they use is the Midwest’s union stance in the war. That really was more of an alliance of two regions against one rather than it being evidence of the two regions being similar. The German farmers were small operators, did not use slaves and were accustomed to a strong authoritarian government. States rights and planter society were not something Germans were likely to support. This is my opinion on why the two regions found common cause. After the war the Midwest and northeast did not see eye to eye. They distrusted the eastern establishment. Famous Midwesterner Henry Ford really distrusted Eastern interest.
The idea that the North is some culturally unified region is ridiculous. Even the south which does have more degree of cultural unity is not all the same. Tennessee is not the same as Louisiana, nor is Louisiana the same as South Carolina. These discussions never include the western US. Is Alaska not the ultimate northern state? It’s not even on the poll. What about Washington? Montana? They are pretty Northern in my opinion. This poll has always been about the cultural north. The OP doesn’t believe that means just the northeast but to most Americans it does. The cultural north is a fast paced urban culture where people talk with that funny northeast accent. Let’s be honest if this were about geography alone Alaska is the undeniable winner
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