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View Poll Results: Most Northern state?
Maine 21 14.09%
Vermont 8 5.37%
New Hampshire 0 0%
Massachusetts 37 24.83%
Rhode Island 0 0%
Connecticut 4 2.68%
New York 29 19.46%
Michigan 3 2.01%
Wisconsin 2 1.34%
Minnesota 41 27.52%
North Dakota 3 2.01%
South Dakota 0 0%
Nebraska 1 0.67%
Voters: 149. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-23-2016, 01:56 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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When I think of "The North" I think of Yankees and when I think of Yankees I think of Vermont. meh
I agree with this. While Michigan Minnesota and Wisconsin are all very northern , it's in a midwestern kinda way. "The North" brings to mind New England or even New York, where real Yankees live. The Midwest is just to different to consider them quintessential Northern.
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Old 09-23-2016, 02:21 AM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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North like Game of Thrones north? Minnesota

North like Yankee north? Massachusetts
The true king of the north would be Alaska
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Old 09-23-2016, 02:54 AM
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Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Massachusetts - hands down.

Strong union base
blue collar presence
North East Liberal Intellectuals.
Rust Belt status - declining mill towns, old industrial cities (Springfield, Fall River, Worcester)
White ethnics
White WASP
Muslims
Jews
All those elite universities - and most lean liberal
Lots of ethnic food
Lots of old Yankee food
leans liberal
Berkshires, and Atlantic Coast
Christians are not fanatical church attenders - many Catholics, Unitarians, (they are more Christian there, just don't ascribe to the Trinity) United Church of Christ, American Baptist (the one that broke with Southern Baptist over abolition)
Strong abolition state.
Boston - a big city
a rural presence
Norman Rockwell was from there and took his Americana illustrations from MA life.
Immigrants still coming in.
Little love or identification with the South.
(kind of the Anti-South)

Why NOT NEW YORK?
Most of NY is NOT the NYC METRO AREA.
Strong rural agricultural presence
Except for the New York metro area - hunting is very popular
upstate New York is staid and Conservative.
Unlike Massachusetts STRONG EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN PRESENCE - not only upstate, but on Long Island. Remember the Massapequa Tabernacle Scandal - with Jessica Hahn, Jim Bakker, Pastor Profeta?
Methodist Churches are every where
4 H Club popular up state NY and on Eastern Long Island
Beauty Pageants are Popular on Eastern Long Island and Up State NY
Upstate NY and Eastern Long Island have much in common with the South
Colleges in upstate NY lean more traditional - Hamilton, Colgate, Elmira, St. Lawrence, Roberts Wesleyan, Wells, Hobart and William Smith, RPI, RIT, Houghton College, The Kings College, many former Aggie Tech Colleges(Agricultural and Technical Colleges) because of Rural Base. And traditional non activist State Schools.
Love of Pick Up Trucks - again upstate NY and Eastern Long Island
Love of Guns.
High School Sports important.
Display of Confederate Flag.
Affectionate towards the South, and admiration of Southern Values
MANY people from NYS move to the South - and not only Florida - North and South Carolina, Georgia, and Texas. Some maintain dual residences.

In fact, with the exception of Lower Westchester, NYC and boroughs, and Nassau County, LI, NY - much of NY is a lot like the South with snow.

Love of Southern Food.

New York State - the non NYC areas - "Up State" (which is most of the state) and Suffolk County (Eastern LI -except the Hamptons) are a lot like the South.

Friendly people

Rodeos

Western Riding, Dude Ranches

Appalachian Culture and Mountains.

MASSACHUSETTS in the STATE. ( 2nd place -Minnesota)
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Old 09-23-2016, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Poughkeepsie, New York
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Why NOT NEW YORK?
Most of NY is NOT the NYC METRO AREA.
Strong rural agricultural presence
Except for the New York metro area - hunting is very popular
upstate New York is staid and Conservative.
Unlike Massachusetts STRONG EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN PRESENCE - not only upstate, but on Long Island. Remember the Massapequa Tabernacle Scandal - with Jessica Hahn, Jim Bakker, Pastor Profeta?
Methodist Churches are every where
4 H Club popular up state NY and on Eastern Long Island
Beauty Pageants are Popular on Eastern Long Island and Up State NY
Upstate NY and Eastern Long Island have much in common with the South
Colleges in upstate NY lean more traditional - Hamilton, Colgate, Elmira, St. Lawrence, Roberts Wesleyan, Wells, Hobart and William Smith, RPI, RIT, Houghton College, The Kings College, many former Aggie Tech Colleges(Agricultural and Technical Colleges) because of Rural Base. And traditional non activist State Schools.
Love of Pick Up Trucks - again upstate NY and Eastern Long Island
Love of Guns.
High School Sports important.
Display of Confederate Flag.
Affectionate towards the South, and admiration of Southern Values
MANY people from NYS move to the South - and not only Florida - North and South Carolina, Georgia, and Texas. Some maintain dual residences.

In fact, with the exception of Lower Westchester, NYC and boroughs, and Nassau County, LI, NY - much of NY is a lot like the South with snow.

Love of Southern Food.

New York State - the non NYC areas - "Up State" (which is most of the state) and Suffolk County (Eastern LI -except the Hamptons) are a lot like the South.

Friendly people

Rodeos

Western Riding, Dude Ranches

Appalachian Culture and Mountains.
I would seriously like to know what your sources are on this.

"Unlike Massachusetts STRONG EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN PRESENCE"? According to the Pew Research Center, Massachusetts evangelicals make up about 9% of the population. In New York? About 10% of the population. Apparently, that extra 1% makes the evangelical presence "strong"

"Remember the Massapequa Tabernacle Scandal - with Jessica Hahn, Jim Bakker, Pastor Profeta?" Are you really going back to a 1989 incident as proof that Long Island has a strong evangelical presence? How exactly does a church scandal prove anything?

"Methodist Churches are every where" Methodists in New York comprise about 2% of the population. The US as a whole? About 6%. I mean, I guess if you're keeping an eye out specifically for Methodist churches, you'll notice them more, but that doesn't mean a larger-than-usual proportion of New Yorkers belong to that denomination

"Display of Confederate Flag" The ONE time that I've seen a confederate rag in NY was when I was driving through Upstate in August 2015. I doubt that was about southern pride so much as an attempt to **** off liberals who had given new attention to the flag as a controversial symbol. Now, that's anecdotal evidence, and thus doesn't count for much, but I bet you have just as much statistical evidence to back up your claim as I do mine. That is to say, none.

"Affectionate towards the South, and admiration of Southern Values" I don't know if you've noticed, but a fairly big (especially on this forum) complaint about NY transplants (and most northern transplants) is that they refuse to adapt to southern culture. Doesn't sound very affectionate or admiring to me

"MANY people from NYS move to the South - and not only Florida - North and South Carolina, Georgia, and Texas. Some maintain dual residences." See above

"Friendly people" Remember guys, only the southern states have friendly people. All the other states are overwhelmingly filled with jerks

The rest of your points are either characteristics of rural areas in general or just flat-out wrong

I agree that Massachusetts is more quintessentially northern, but the points you used to rationalize why it's not New York instead are off-the-mark

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Old 09-23-2016, 08:39 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Sheena. Wow.

Literally I could have a field day and take issue with every single line!

--- For instance, why does "white ethnics"/Muslims/Jews (and for that matter ethnic food) count for Massachusetts but is not mentioned for New York, which is a state famous for it?

--- Another, why is "Berkshires and the Atlantic coast" mentioned for Massachusetts but why isn't the "Catskills/Adirondacks and the Atlantic Coast" mentioned for New York?

--- Immigrants still coming in - counts for Massachusetts, but not for New York??? Rust belt status is mentioned for Massachusetts but not for New York? Strong rural agricultural presence for New York makes it less Northern? Also, way too many stereotypes of rural areas in general.

Btw, Norman Rockwell was a NEW YORKER, born and raised. Much of his early work was done in New York. In his mid 40s, he moved to Vermont and only to Massachusetts around age 60.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Rockwell
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Old 09-23-2016, 09:52 AM
 
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Sheena. Wow.

Literally I could have a field day and take issue with every single line!

--- For instance, why does "white ethnics"/Muslims/Jews (and for that matter ethnic food) count for Massachusetts but is not mentioned for New York, which is a state famous for it?

--- Another, why is "Berkshires and the Atlantic coast" mentioned for Massachusetts but why isn't the "Catskills/Adirondacks and the Atlantic Coast" mentioned for New York?

--- Immigrants still coming in - counts for Massachusetts, but not for New York??? Rust belt status is mentioned for Massachusetts but not for New York? Strong rural agricultural presence for New York makes it less Northern? Also, way too many stereotypes of rural areas in general.

Btw, Norman Rockwell was a NEW YORKER, born and raised. Much of his early work was done in New York. In his mid 40s, he moved to Vermont and only to Massachusetts around age 60.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Rockwell
I was thinking the same thing, as a lot of that post was off base.
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Old 09-23-2016, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I'd say Massachusetts without a doubt.

If you think about a state that's anti-Deep South in nearly every possible way, it has to be Mass. The South was heavily invested in chattel slavery and Massachusetts was the leader in the ideological battle against slavery (William Lloyd Garrison, Henry David Thoreau, etc.). It's also the most educated state and one of the most affluent states. It's also the most economically and socially liberal state by an extremely wide margin.
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Old 09-23-2016, 10:28 AM
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Location: The New England part of Ohio
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i'd say massachusetts without a doubt.

If you think about a state that's anti-deep south in nearly every possible way, it has to be mass. The south was heavily invested in chattel slavery and massachusetts was the leader in the ideological battle against slavery (william lloyd garrison, henry david thoreau, etc.). It's also the most educated state and one of the most affluent states. It's also the most economically and socially liberal state by an extremely wide margin.
this!!!!!
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Old 09-23-2016, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Jersey City
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The true king of the north would be Alaska
Alaska = north of the Wall...
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Old 09-23-2016, 10:50 AM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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I came in here to say Minnesota, but having read the thread, I think I'll change my opinion to New York.

If I could pick three, I would say New York, Minnesota, and Maine. The other New England states (i.e. Mass) are too small and 'unique' to represent a catergorical definition that describes a large and diverse region of the country.
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