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Old 09-29-2016, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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White people who say **** like this are just so pathetic, cringeworthy and corny.
Ah leave her alone, she's just virtue signaling.
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Old 09-29-2016, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Let's break it down further. A majority of male-related murders are committed by single men. I suspect it is the "nothing left to lose" mentality.
There seems to be a big problem with black men not valuing other black men. If you've ever watched The First 48 on A&E, you see that most of these killers just don't remotely care about who they killed.
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Old 09-29-2016, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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Ah leave her alone, she's just virtue signaling.
I'm pretty sure the poster in question isn't a doctrinaire "liberal" from their posting history.
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Old 09-29-2016, 10:54 AM
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My question wasn't rhetorical. What were the options for an illiterate ex-slave (or the child of an illiterate ex-slave) circa 1890?

(A) Apply for a job as a bank teller
(B) Open a widget factory
(C) Go to college to earn a degree in accounting
(D) Join the military
(E) Become a world-famous musician

What is the path from slavery to the middle class by 1960?
If one is illiterate, all of those options you mention are out of the question except for the military or a famous musician. And even with being literate, opportunities for Blacks in the South were quite limited.

By 1960, there might have been relatively more Blacks doing business and getting into the middle class, but for most, it was hard compared to Whites.

And there is something else. There is not much difference between the "underclass" part of the Black population and "rednecks". In fact, that is where the culture came from. Look at how many within the Black underclass speak, and put it against how a "redneck" speaks. With a few differences, it is still similar. Where did most Blacks learn to speak English, as it wasn't their indigenous language when they were brought here? In the South. The English spoken by most Whites in the South during slavery and Reconstruction was that of the Elizabethan era in northern English/southern Scotland. Certain traits among the "underclass" such as a tendency towards aggression and violence, severe disregard for education, lack of industriousness, loose sexual morals, recklessness.

Now, alot of these traits have died out among many. However, those whom it survives among(both Black and White), it continues to cause problems. The "Black underclass" culture is really an offshoot of "redneck" culture transplanted to the cities. Historically though, Blacks have had a harder time getting out of that culture. Opportunities were fewer. As opportunities have increased and things changed for the better, many have come out of it.
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Old 09-29-2016, 10:59 AM
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There seems to be a big problem with black men not valuing other black men. If you've ever watched The First 48 on A&E, you see that most of these killers just don't remotely care about who they killed.
Any murderer will not care about the person they murdered. That is universal.
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Old 09-29-2016, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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While everything you guys say about poverty is true, it's also the case that the poor white underclass in the U.S. does not have anywhere near as high of a murder rate as the poor black underclass. There are lots of issues in somewhere like Eastern Kentucky with drug addiction and petty crime, but the homicide rate isn't really that high.

That said, suicide in poor white communities actually more than cancels out the effect of homicide. Take a look at, for example, this map, which includes all gun deaths, both suicides and homicides. When added together, the gun death rate (adjusted for population) isn't too different in rural Appalachia and the inner city. Indeed, I have heard some argue that part of the reason young black males have such a high homicide rate is the cultural stigma against being depressed. Black suicide rates are actually very low. If you're a young poor black man with nothing to live for, maybe instead of actually offing yourself you just set yourself up in a situation where you'd probably get killed by someone else instead.
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Old 09-29-2016, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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While everything you guys say about poverty is true, it's also the case that the poor white underclass in the U.S. does not have anywhere near as high of a murder rate as the poor black underclass. There are lots of issues in somewhere like Eastern Kentucky with drug addiction and petty crime, but the homicide rate isn't really that high.
Poorer Blacks also live at higher densities than poorer Whites.
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Old 09-29-2016, 12:01 PM
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While everything you guys say about poverty is true, it's also the case that the poor white underclass in the U.S. does not have anywhere near as high of a murder rate as the poor black underclass. There are lots of issues in somewhere like Eastern Kentucky with drug addiction and petty crime, but the homicide rate isn't really that high.

That said, suicide in poor white communities actually more than cancels out the effect of homicide. Take a look at, for example, this map, which includes all gun deaths, both suicides and homicides. When added together, the gun death rate (adjusted for population) isn't too different in rural Appalachia and the inner city. Indeed, I have heard some argue that part of the reason young black males have such a high homicide rate is the cultural stigma against being depressed. Black suicide rates are actually very low. If you're a young poor black man with nothing to live for, maybe instead of actually offing yourself you just set yourself up in a situation where you'd probably get killed by someone else instead.
Living in the inner city vs rural area is different. Most murders committed by Black men are in urban area. And in rural areas, if a murder gets committed, it can depend on where you are.

One thing about Appalachia, it's mountainous. In alot of areas, law enforcement is remote. Someone could get murdered and you might not know. Flatter rural areas might be alot easier to access.

What makes Black suicide rates low are the rock bottom suicide rates among Black females. For males, it's not good.

https://www.psychiatry.org/news-room...men-in-college
Suicide rates among young black boys on the rise - CNN.com
http://www.irp.wisc.edu/publications...dfs/foc31d.pdf
Black Men Suicide | BlackDoctor
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Old 09-29-2016, 12:03 PM
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Poorer Blacks also live at higher densities than poorer Whites.
Big part of it. In the Atlanta area, I seldom ever see poor Whites actually living in Atlanta proper. I see far more of them in rural areas though.
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Old 09-29-2016, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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NYC's homicide rate in 2015 was lower than it was in 1900.

217 years of homicide in New York
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