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View Poll Results: Most Beautiful state in the South
Texas 13 5.44%
Oklahoma 2 0.84%
Arkansas 4 1.67%
Louisiana 4 1.67%
Tennessee 28 11.72%
Mississippi 2 0.84%
Alabama 7 2.93%
Georgia 23 9.62%
Florida 25 10.46%
Kentucky 6 2.51%
North Carolina 65 27.20%
South Carolina 13 5.44%
West Virginia 13 5.44%
Virginia 34 14.23%
Voters: 239. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-30-2016, 11:07 AM
 
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In what "context" 280Tony's?? Cause that's what one part of what youre in disagreement with pertains to. Ill have to agree with 280Tony.
Yes, Tony's.

In any case, Virginia is a Southern state. The only part of the state that tends to be excluded in NoVA which I could agree with, since he excluded northern KY, peninsular FL, etc.

Do you consider it an insult for Virginia to be labeled as Southern?
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Old 09-30-2016, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Hampton Roads, VA.
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Yes, Tony's.

In any case, Virginia is a Southern state. The only part of the state that tends to be excluded in NoVA which I could agree with, since he excluded northern KY, peninsular FL, etc.

Do you consider it an insult for Virginia to be labeled as Southern?
Tony's statements were in proper context. I think you took them conflated different "phrases" meanings and definitions, as many people do on here, and then argued from those points of views and reference.


In any case 280Tony made a very valid point. As it stands many "southerners" seem to have a secret disdain or pride for what they really mean when they say it. My "south" is nothing more than a geographical region which is all it ever was...south of PA/NJ. Forms of media like this one trying to propagate some weirdo fascination where people "exclude NoVA" from Virginia, in your minds, is also a laughable argument to me and exposes many peoples line of thinking. My REAL issue is with people but, especially people from other "southern" states, orientating MY area based off their orientation and point of reference. I am from Virginia I am a Virginian...my "region" or "south" is not Alabamians and South Carolinians "region." For instance...yall tend to look at DC and Maryland as some "other" region... where as MOST if not ALL Virginians do NOT.


So like 280Tony said, which many "southerners" don't agree on is..."what do you mean by..." The Southern US is geographical...the confederacy was political... and Dixie is basically slang ...they are not all the same thing. Many of those states don't have or like their own identity so they try to hide behind "the South" as an identity...and no I don't care for that. Not bothered by Virginia being considered in the Southern US though...we still Virginia...no matter who says what or WHERE we're placed. Our point of reference just different.

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Old 09-30-2016, 12:27 PM
 
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Tony's statements were in proper context. I think you took them conflated different "phrases" meanings and definitions, as many people do on here, and then argued from those points of views and reference.


In any case 280Tony made a very valid point. As it stands many "southerners" seem to have a secret disdain or pride for what they really mean when they say it. My "south" is nothing more than a geographical region which is all it ever was...south of PA/NJ. Forms of media like this one trying to propagate some weirdo fascination where people "exclude NoVA" from Virginia, in your minds, is also a laughable argument to me and exposes many peoples line of thinking. My REAL issue is with people but, especially people from other "southern" states, orientating MY area based off their orientation and point of reference. I am from Virginia I am a Virginian...my "region" or "south" is not Alabamians and South Carolinians "region." For instance...yall tend to look at DC and Maryland as some "other" region... where as MOST if not ALL Virginians do NOT.


So like 280Tony said, which many "southerners" don't agree on is..."what do you mean by..." The Southern US is geographical...the confederacy was political... and Dixie is basically slang ...they are not all the same thing. Many of those states don't have or like their own identity so they try to hide behind "the South" as an identity...and no I don't care for that. Not bothered by Virginia being considered in the Southern US though...we still Virginia...no matter who says what or WHERE we're placed. Our point of reference just different.
All of that really wasn't necessary but okay.

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Old 09-30-2016, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Birmingham, AL
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There's ongoing debates re: buffer states. VA buffers the geographical South from the geographical Northeast / Mid-Atlantic. WV buffers the Midwest and Mid-Atlantic. KY buffers the Midwest. TX the Southwest. OK the Plains. The FL panhandle from south FL. At some point in each of these (save perhaps WV), you'll experience a cultural shift as you move away from the Southeast. We all know this.

West TX, Western / Panhandle OK, and Northern KY are all discernibly dissimilar to the traditional Old-South states -- MS, AR, TN, AL, GA, SC, NC, LA -- in both look and culture. The arguing starts when examining Northern VA vs. Southern VA, East TX vs. West TX, E OK vs. W OK, N KY vs. S KY, etc etc. Where do you draw the line?

Bear in mind that the south historically included Maryland and Delaware. If one were to go by antebellum definitions, then perhaps Missouri comes into the fold. But clearly, none of those three are culturally synonymous with what we consider "Dixie". This to illustrate that definitions change with time.

There's no disputing that NC, GA, SC, AL, MS, LA, TN, AR are definitely, 100%, Southern / Old-South / Dixie states. But if someone handed you a marker and asked you to shade in the parts of TX, VA, OK, WV, KY, and FL that share a cultural and geographic synthesis with the aforementioned, you'd probably see a lot of maps with lines halving the buffer states.

So it depends on what you want your definition of the South to include. The all-encompassing geographic South? Where the entirety of the buffer states are included? Or the more confined notion of "Dixie", the cultural "Old-South". And I stand by my answer: If it's the former, TX has the most geographic diversity and should win. If the latter, then NC is the most beautiful for my money.
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Old 09-30-2016, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Carrboro, NC
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Lots of talking in this thread, but not enough pictures. NC has pulled ahead, so let's have some more pictures of it!

Linville Gorge:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cmtogr...s-7491223@N06/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/desert...s-7491223@N06/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lonnie...s-7491223@N06/

Great Smoky Mountains:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mikerh...s-7491223@N06/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/umichj...s-7491223@N06/

Grandfather Mountain:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/greer8...s-7491223@N06/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/livemu...s-7491223@N06/


Outer Banks:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/skynoi...s-7491223@N06/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ox4pho...s-7491223@N06/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mlewis...s-7491223@N06/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dennisludlow/14467231750/
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Old 09-30-2016, 02:26 PM
 
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Few months ago at Fort Fisher

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t5...63043072_n.mp4

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Old 09-30-2016, 04:50 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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KY is borderline but I don't think it's as borderline as OK...probably because it is included in Appalachia.
I always felt that the thing working against OK (and TX) was the less forested landscape, since many people obviously associated the south with lots of greenery. But the state is still deeply religious and conservative and has the twangy accents and deep fried food to go along with it.
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Old 09-30-2016, 04:52 PM
 
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I always felt that the thing working against OK (and TX) was the less forested landscape, since many people obviously associated the south with lots of greenery. But the state is still deeply religious and conservative and has the twangy accents and deep fried food to go along with it.
Yeah geographically things can be somewhat questionable in large swaths of those states but culturally, there's less ambiguity.
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Old 09-30-2016, 08:25 PM
 
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There is no place called "Dixie" and we damn sure aint a part of it.
"Dixie" is the 11 states of the Confederacy, VA was in that.
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Old 09-30-2016, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Richmond was the capital of Dixie.
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