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do you have any independent knowledge of the universities? do you know a single professor, student or alumni at any of them?
how is a college with less majors and no engineering / architecture programs better than one that has more majors and engineering / architecture? do you have an answer to this that does not involve 3rd party rankings?
There is bioengineering and computer science programs at UNC, and my department at NC State collaborates with UNC. I'm not saying you are wrong that GT is a good school that should be in the argument just saying you are really down playing UNC.
There is bioengineering and computer science programs at UNC, and my department at NC State collaborates with UNC. I'm not saying you are wrong that GT is a good school that should be in the argument just saying you are really down playing UNC.
where have i downplayed UNC. i said i think G Tech and other universities that offer engineering and architecture are better options. UNC doesn't have the traditional engineering programs which is quite rare for a flagship school.
here is a good in depth criticism of the US NEws rankings criteria.
they mention UNC in it:
It is also true that selective institutions may have weak curricula and non-selective ones may have strong curricula.
Within the UNC system, a Pope Center study found in 2003, the most selective institution, UNC-Chapel
Hill, has the weakest core curriculum requirements, allowing students to choose among a vast assortment of
course offerings, many of them narrow or trendy. On the contrary, Elizabeth City State University, a non-selective
school, has a strong core curriculum requiring all students to take an array of courses that constitute a firm
educational foundation.
where have i downplayed UNC. i said i think G Tech and other universities that offer engineering and architecture are better options. UNC doesn't have the traditional engineering programs which is quite rare for a flagship school.
UNC and NC State are the two largest institutions of the same system. Many decades ago, the NC General Assembly assigned programs/colleges to each of the universities in order to not put them in competition with each other for funding and to concentrate the resources and talent for the programs into a single (at that time) institution. NC State received the Engineering programs in that process. Given the proximity of the two universities to each other, the academic collaboration between the two universities has been strong.
i understand all that, but that doesn't change the fact that it is difficult for people to argue UNC is better than G Tech, Clemson, etc if they have challenging programs at the undergrad level that UNC does not. engineering programs are not easy and they bring a lot of nerds to the university.
where have i downplayed UNC. i said i think G Tech and other universities that offer engineering and architecture are better options. UNC doesn't have the traditional engineering programs which is quite rare for a flagship school.
why is a NC State person touting UNC.
chill man, it isn't that serious, I only mentioned State because when others posted about UNC you starting drilling them about what connection do they have to the University, etc etc. If you say you aren't down playing UNC fine, all I've been saying is it is one of the best, that doesn't mean GT isn't either.
i never said this was serious. you are making an incorrect inference.
you obviously didn't read the conversation. a person in Alabama mocked me when I saiid I think G Tech and Texas AM are better colleges than UNC and WM, and he asserted that those two colleges are far superior. i then asked him if he had any independent knowledge of the universities, their professors, students, alumni. i think it is a good question. it is clear his entire basis for his assertion comes straight from US News which has an obviously flawed ranking criteria.
If we simply go by rankings, why even ask the question?
Any insiders have views on actual academic quality - professors, administrators, students, alums who have actually gone to these schools; HR people, business owners, managers/supervisors, employees who hire and/or work with grads of specific schools.
I'm always amazed how much people (including sometimes myself) are often slaves to USNWR rankings. Not that they're necessarily "wrong" in every instance, but they're not gospel. It's a ranking that plugs in criteria and spits out a number; a ranking that has been continually revised with suggestions from college administrators.
the US News rankings are based on numerous flawed assumptions, such as a person with a PhD degree is a better teacher than a person with only a B.S, or that a university that is more selective in admissions has a more rigorous curriculum than less selective universities.
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