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View Poll Results: The South has defined the culture of the US more than any other region?
Yes it has 21 21.65%
No it hasn't 76 78.35%
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Old 09-30-2016, 05:27 PM
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For food and music. but I feel California and the northeast influenced food as much if not more than southern eating did. Pop music also doesn't have many roots in the American South.
What food? lol Hamburgers, Pizzas and Hot Dogs? If that's the case then of course, that's considered the prototypical American cuisine.
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Old 09-30-2016, 05:40 PM
 
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What food? lol Hamburgers, Pizzas and Hot Dogs? If that's the case then of course, that's considered the prototypical American cuisine.
But pizza came from Italy, hot dogs are a variant of German sausage, and hamburgers were invented by a Texan (Athens, TX which is in the northeast part of Texas right near the Louisiana line and is as "southern" as they come).

"Fletcher Davis of Athens, Texas claimed to have invented the hamburger. According to oral histories, in the 1880s he opened a lunch counter in Athens and served a 'burger' of fried ground beef patties with mustard and Bermuda onion between two slices of bread, with a pickle on the side.[8] "
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger#Fletcher_Davis
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Old 09-30-2016, 06:33 PM
 
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But pizza came from Italy, hot dogs are a variant of German sausage, and hamburgers were invented by a Texan (Athens, TX which is in the northeast part of Texas right near the Louisiana line and is as "southern" as they come).

"Fletcher Davis of Athens, Texas claimed to have invented the hamburger. According to oral histories, in the 1880s he opened a lunch counter in Athens and served a 'burger' of fried ground beef patties with mustard and Bermuda onion between two slices of bread, with a pickle on the side.[8] "
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger#Fletcher_Davis
Hamburger has been consumed for a thousand years. That wasn't invented in Texas.
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Old 09-30-2016, 06:56 PM
 
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Hamburger has been consumed for a thousand years. That wasn't invented in Texas.
Correction: ground beef has been consumed for thousands of years. The current concoction called a "burger" of ground beef with cheese with lettuce, tomatoes, and onions on buns was created in America, in Texas by the way...
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Old 09-30-2016, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Florida
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What food? lol Hamburgers, Pizzas and Hot Dogs? If that's the case then of course, that's considered the prototypical American cuisine.
Italian, Greek, German, Chinese, Korean, Japanese sushi anyone?. Those American fusions started in the northeast and west coasts. If southerners had their way the people that brought us these foods wouldn't have been able to even come to America.
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Old 09-30-2016, 07:24 PM
 
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Yes pop music does. While it can't be pinned down to any one genre, it is rooted substantially in rock 'n roll, which arose in the South.
Lady Gaga will smack you with her heel.
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Old 09-30-2016, 07:47 PM
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Italian, Greek, German, Chinese, Korean, Japanese sushi anyone?. Those American fusions started in the northeast and west coasts. If southerners had their way the people that brought us these foods wouldn't have been able to even come to America.
Yeah but those aren't American cuisines though; this is supposed to be about American culture and you're mentioning OTHER countries lol.
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Old 09-30-2016, 07:49 PM
 
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Do you agree with this statement?

The South has defined the culture of the United States more than any other region.

If you look at some of the best things that have come out the US, from music (Jazz, Blues, R&B, Country, Blue Grass) to food (sweet tea, grits, gumbo, barbecue) to a distinct accent to distinct American iconic things (high school football, NASCAR, front porch swings), it seems the cultural influence of the South has outweighed every other region.

My theory is that the South was settled early on by colonists and slaves and then there was little immigration for a long period of time which allowed an isolated culture to develop. The north had so many immigrants that their cuisine is more European in nature (Italian/Irish mainly). The Southwest seems more an extension of Mexico, the Midwest was mainly settled by northern Europeans.

In any case, do you agree with this assessment. Also, can you state why the Southern culture is more monolithic than other places. For instance, the culture of Philly is vastly different than even NYC and they are really close. Also include where you live as I suspect other regions may be more reluctant to admit how much influence the South has had.
I can see what you are trying to say, I wouldn't go quite so far as to say the South defined the culture of the US, but I basically agree with some of your points.

Yes, American music (all forms) clearly have their roots in the South. Southern Black culture, which gave us this music (Jazz, Blues, R&B, early Rock and Roll) is almost as American as Native American culture.

I also agree that the Southwest is in many ways heavily influenced by Spanish colonial/Mexican culture, and that the midwest and northeast is very heavily influened by historical European immigration, with heavy influence to today.


Your third point/paragraphy I wouldn't agree with. There really is nothing monolithic than any other region.
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Old 09-30-2016, 10:18 PM
 
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Lady Gaga will smack you with her heel.
Lady Gaga can't change history.

"Pop music is a genre of popular music which originated in its modern form in the 1950s, deriving from rock and roll."

https://www.citelighter.com/music/ov...y-of-pop-music

Jazz and Blues also played significant roles in the creation of pop music.
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Old 10-01-2016, 02:03 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Yeah but those aren't American cuisines though; this is supposed to be about American culture and you're mentioning OTHER countries lol.
Southern cuisine is also derived from other countries smart one. British influences southern cooking the most. Off-Southern south Louisiana cuisine is derived from French and Carribean influences. There isn't a thing about America that isn't derived from somewhere else.
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