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Old 10-12-2016, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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To be fair, no major city has anything in common with the rest of their state and any could become city-states.
Its not just about being a major city, NYC is on a geographic extreme when it comes to the rest of NYS as well. Its the El Paso of New York State.
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:16 PM
 
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Are you talking about independence or self-sufficiency? Because those are two different things. Extremely few countries could function as a closed loop economy, while a lot more can be independent. Even the United States couldn't without a serious rejiggering of its industrial base.

On the other hand, most of the states in this country could be independent states. After all, if places such as Belgium or Croatia or Mali can be independent states, why couldn't Idaho or Connecticut?
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:24 PM
 
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Fun question, and of course any answer is as much a game as opposed to reality.

Massachusetts - so steeped in history, with a major port of Boston, and it's own belief system for lack of a better term could easily go out on it's own. I don't feel there is much a a divide within the state that could prevent it. Money comes from a variety of course, from business to tourists that it could be self sufficient.
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Old 10-12-2016, 04:23 PM
 
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Texas.
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Old 10-12-2016, 04:33 PM
 
Location: StlNoco Mo
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Missouri
It has always felt like a separate nation.
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Old 10-12-2016, 06:37 PM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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Its not just about being a major city, NYC is on a geographic extreme when it comes to the rest of NYS as well. Its the El Paso of New York State.
Well that's a good point. It is also why upstate would want to come with NYC if it seceeded (despite protestations to the contrary), access to that port.
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Old 10-12-2016, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Pahoa Hawaii
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To answer this question you first have to make the jump that any such state would be able to successfully decouple itself from the interconnected reality and benefit of being fully integrated with the U.S. economy and political framework. Things will be easier if that country simply accepts the U.S. dollar and enters into treaty agreements that allow the U.S. gov't to continue to exercise some favorable latitude. NY, CA, FL, et al I think are all out because they rely too much on the commercial connectedness of the USA. They are prosperous, but not truly independent.

You have to look at which states are truly financially independent with comparatively sizable tax bases, natural resources, largely independent legal frameworks and a recent history of deregulation. Check out: https://www.thestreet.com/story/1375...n-america.html

My take: Texas, Hawaii, Delaware, and the Dakotas.
It's very doubtful Hawaii could make it alone. The only people talking independence here are the Sovereignty movement. They want the military gone. Military makes up a large part of Hawaii's economy, over 100,000 personnel and dependents and 60-70 thousand support personnel. Over 150,000 people are on food stamps here and we import over 80% of our food. Independence would be disastrous.
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Old 10-12-2016, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Louisiana?

There is a huge port in New Orleans/Baton Rouge and a relatively major and international city in New Orleans, energy production would be ramped up and Lake Charles has the 12th biggest port in the US with a large energy industry as well. I would like to leave northern Louisiana to fend for itself though. Tourism would probably increase a bit more than it is now.
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Old 10-12-2016, 08:30 PM
 
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It's very doubtful Hawaii could make it alone. The only people talking independence here are the Sovereignty movement. They want the military gone. Military makes up a large part of Hawaii's economy, over 100,000 personnel and dependents and 60-70 thousand support personnel. Over 150,000 people are on food stamps here and we import over 80% of our food. Independence would be disastrous.
80% of food is imported? Thats crazy with that amazing climate and growing zone in Hawaii but I understand it. My dad moved to a caribbean island and it was unbelievably expensive living on an island, everything is imported and even basic grocery goods are very,very expensive. Not to mention internet service that goes down for weeks at a time and an electrical grid that is very unstable.

Living on an island is always what its cracked up to be, economically wise at least .
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Old 10-12-2016, 09:16 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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New York City could become a separate state. It has nothing in common with the rest of the state. Texas is the big one here, as is Alaska, Hawaii, and California.. Maybe northern Michigan?
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To be fair, no major city has anything in common with the rest of their state and any could become city-states.
So WHAT?

New York State is the size of England with NYC and London roughly occupying the same huge city niche in their respective state/countries. The same with Paris/France, Moscow/Russia and even Chicago/Illinois. I do not see a problem.

Besides what city would deliberately want to separate from where it gets its water supply (The Catskills) or much of its electrical supplies (the NY State Power authority), where its suburbs and suburban railroads are. Or even where it gets some of its food from. It makes no sense.
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