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Old 10-17-2016, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania USA
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Murk, great response. I agree. VA Beach is one urban area I suppose, yes. I guess it really isn't a top 30 unless you make military a big factor. I had both Tampa and Cincy in my runner ups, but they do belong in the top 30. Sacramento is really sprawled versus Austin which has a bigger city profile. If you consider future prospects a criteria (not part of my op, but not a bad idea to include) I think Austin makes the cut, Indy and Columbus do not. Literally the only reason SA makes it is because of its massive military presence. DC is massively overshadowed by LA-IE, but is it fair to give LA the IE and not give DC Baltimore? Again it's a grey area (they are technically all separate urban areas as is SF and SJ). So idk if it's fair not to give DC Baltimore. Ill stick with Philadelphia just ahead of Boston. But Boston needs to move up too. Yes, margins are razor thin, it's really a combo of all the big factors - population urban area, metro gdp, military and govt presence, proximity to other urban areas, and other factors. I think Philadelphia takes Boston since it also has (arguably) the third or fourth best skyline in the US (nyc, Chicago, tied with Miami). So this list is really subjective to a good degree. But if anything, we have identified and compared the most important cities. I wonder what this list will look like in 20 plus years. I am thinking SLC, OKC, Nashville and or Raleigh make it by then? Anyone's guess.
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Old 10-17-2016, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Seattle aka tier 3 city :)
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Murk, great response. I agree. VA Beach is one urban area I suppose, yes. I guess it really isn't a top 30 unless you make military a big factor. I had both Tampa and Cincy in my runner ups, but they do belong in the top 30. Sacramento is really sprawled versus Austin which has a bigger city profile. If you consider future prospects a criteria (not part of my op, but not a bad idea to include) I think Austin makes the cut, Indy and Columbus do not. Literally the only reason SA makes it is because of its massive military presence. DC is massively overshadowed by LA-IE, but is it fair to give LA the IE and not give DC Baltimore? Again it's a grey area (they are technically all separate urban areas as is SF and SJ). So idk if it's fair not to give DC Baltimore. Ill stick with Philadelphia just ahead of Boston. But Boston needs to move up too. Yes, margins are razor thin, it's really a combo of all the big factors - population urban area, metro gdp, military and govt presence, proximity to other urban areas, and other factors. I think Philadelphia takes Boston since it also has (arguably) the third or fourth best skyline in the US (nyc, Chicago, tied with Miami). So this list is really subjective to a good degree. But if anything, we have identified and compared the most important cities. I wonder what this list will look like in 20 plus years. I am thinking SLC, OKC, Nashville and or Raleigh make it by then? Anyone's guess.
People on CD really do not realize how intertwined/contiguous the LA/OC/IE is, there's no breaks in development, seamless, and connected this whole area is. The same way SF/SJ gets a pass so should LA, probably the only 2 CSA's In the country that are much more in line with a MSA then a CSA.
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Old 10-18-2016, 04:48 AM
 
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People on CD really do not realize how intertwined/contiguous the LA/OC/IE is, there's no breaks in development, seamless, and connected this whole area is. The same way SF/SJ gets a pass so should LA, probably the only 2 CSA's In the country that are much more in line with a MSA then a CSA.
Because not ALL of the IE is realistically part of LA's metro. The IE is an absurdly large MSA at 27k square miles. Go to Victorville and tell me you're in metro LA.
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Old 10-18-2016, 12:10 PM
 
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I don't know anything about California's constitution, but why don't the state just break apart some of the larger counties? Probably then, the parts of the IE intertwined with Los Angeles will be included in its metro.
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Old 10-18-2016, 12:53 PM
 
Location: East Coast
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I'd rate the top 5 this way, don't have the time to detail it now. All are important and others, too.


NYC
D.C.
LA
SF
CHI
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Old 10-18-2016, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Seattle aka tier 3 city :)
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Because not ALL of the IE is realistically part of LA's metro. The IE is an absurdly large MSA at 27k square miles. Go to Victorville and tell me you're in metro LA.
Are you really that dense? Go look at a map, 90% of the population of the IE is in the south/southwest corner, Los Angeles CSA gets to 17.2 million people just shy of 3000 sq miles that's just around the same square mileage Chicago has to get to 9.5 million.

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Old 10-18-2016, 01:43 PM
 
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Are you really that dense? Go look at a map, 90% of the population of the IE is in the south/southwest corner, Los Angeles CSA gets to 17.2 million people just shy of 3000 sq miles that's just around the same square mileage Chicago has to get to 9.5 million.
So you had to resort to an ad hominem, and your only retort is a fact that you haven't substantiated? I couldn't tell you where the majority of the inland Empire is population lives, but neither Riverside and North San Bernardino are in the south or south western corners of the I.E.
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Old 10-18-2016, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Seattle aka tier 3 city :)
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So you had to resort to an ad hominem, and your only retort is a fact that you haven't substantiated? I couldn't tell you where the majority of the inland Empire is population lives, but neither Riverside and North San Bernardino are in the south or south western corners of the I.E.
I have no idea why I wasn't able to attach the image, anyways let me educate you a bit outsider about the LA MSA/CSA, the area that is highlighted has approximately 17.2 million inhabitants in just under 3k sq miles, around the same amount of land the Chicago MSA uses to get to 9.2 million.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/41753436-post2.html

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Old 10-18-2016, 04:43 PM
 
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I understand everyone hates Cleveland but I don't understand how Cleveland/akron isn't being listed when it's arguably the most important region in Ohio
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Old 10-18-2016, 05:46 PM
 
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Overall New York & Los Angeles are the most important and have the biggest economy in America.

I think most important can also break down from the state a city is in.So places like Texas & Florida come to into play on a bigger level.
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