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View Poll Results: What states do you consider Southwestern?
Arizona 96 96.97%
California 34 34.34%
Colorado 20 20.20%
Hawaii 1 1.01%
Kansas 1 1.01%
Nevada 47 47.47%
New Mexico 96 96.97%
Oklahoma 21 21.21%
Texas 36 36.36%
Utah 29 29.29%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 99. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-17-2016, 08:28 PM
 
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southern culture is strong in texas. I'd say the only part of Texas that is southwestern is el paso and the area west of us 183, like Abilene (west texas) (like bawac said above)

So that part of texas, arizona, new mexico, and the southwestern desert part of cali
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Old 10-17-2016, 09:12 PM
 
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Oklahoma City is not the Midwest linguistically or culturally.
Agree with this. Oklahoma City is a Southern town to the core. Tulsa does have a little more Midwestern influence left over from the oil boom days, but it's still a predominantly Southern city itself.
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Old 10-17-2016, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma City
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Oklahoma City is not the Midwest linguistically or culturally.
I didn't say it wholly is, but we'll just have to agree to disagree because OKC is indeed in a transition zone as evident from the Midwestern settlers in the north and Southern transplants in the south. OKC is not completely Southern but not without Midwestern traces. Even to my ears Oklahoma Citians talk a bit differently than I do and differently than people back home.

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Old 10-17-2016, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma City
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http://www.okhistory.org/shpo/contex...Settlement.pdf

An article about the settlement patterns of the Unassigned Lands, land in central Oklahoma that includes OKC, following the land run in 1889.

"The federal census of 1890 provides a clear indication of the geographic and ethnic origins of those who settled the Unassigned Lands. One year after the opening, the population of the territory totaled 53,822. These pioneers where overwhelmingly--over 90% white, native born citizens of the United States. Those states providing the greatest number of settlers were Kansas (10,048), Missouri (7,421), Texas (5,381), Illinois (5,347), Indiana (4,090), Ohio (3,734), Iowa (3,003), Kentucky (2,895), and Tennessee (2,507). 42% of the population of the territory came from five Midwestern states, while 21% migrated from three upper southern states. This distribution suggests that a Midwestern cultural influence would be most significant during the formative years of the region.

In 1890, 4.4% of the population was foreign born..... Nearly all of the foreign born migrants to the region were members of the pre-1880s "Old Immigration" from northern and western Europe. They had resided for a time in the central and western Midwest and came to the territory as part of the Midwestern migration. Many foreign born settlers in Oklahoma had come from Kansas, which contained numerous foreign born colonies."

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Old 10-18-2016, 03:16 AM
 
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any city in the SW....lol
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Old 10-18-2016, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Terramaria
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Not voting for California is like not voting for Florida for a similar "what states are Southeastern?" poll. Sure, both states are much different then the rest thanks to wealthier economic regions, but naturally still share lots with the region. The Inland Empire isn't much different from Phoenix, and the Gold Country would fit in many parts of the Four Corners states (all Southwestern) plus Nevada. Texas isn't overall Southwestern, but you can deny the presence of the western fourth. The government company I work with BTW considers the same states I voted for (Four Corners, Nevada, plus California) all Southwestern.
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Old 10-18-2016, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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http://www.okhistory.org/shpo/contex...Settlement.pdf

An article about the settlement patterns of the Unassigned Lands, land in central Oklahoma that includes OKC, following the land run in 1889.

"The federal census of 1890 provides a clear indication of the geographic and ethnic origins of those who settled the Unassigned Lands. One year after the opening, the population of the territory totaled 53,822. These pioneers where overwhelmingly--over 90% white, native born citizens of the United States. Those states providing the greatest number of settlers were Kansas (10,048), Missouri (7,421), Texas (5,381), Illinois (5,347), Indiana (4,090), Ohio (3,734), Iowa (3,003), Kentucky (2,895), and Tennessee (2,507). 42% of the population of the territory came from five Midwestern states, while 21% migrated from three upper southern states. This distribution suggests that a Midwestern cultural influence would be most significant during the formative years of the region.

In 1890, 4.4% of the population was foreign born..... Nearly all of the foreign born migrants to the region were members of the pre-1880s "Old Immigration" from northern and western Europe. They had resided for a time in the central and western Midwest and came to the territory as part of the Midwestern migration. Many foreign born settlers in Oklahoma had come from Kansas, which contained numerous foreign born colonies."
It's nice to read somebody who actually knows what they are talking about. This idea that OKC is "southern to the core" is simply not true if for no reason other than the founders of the Boomer movement were mostly northerners. OKC originally had more northerners that southerners at it's founding.

As for seeing confederate flags license plates. One or two a week maybe?

And the association to the confederacy existed in the 5 tribes only and only two of the 5 tribes were solidly behind the confederacy.
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Old 10-18-2016, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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No SEC schools in Oklahoma, either.
That may change some day. But it is interesting that historically the Oklahoma programs were associated with teams from the plains states.

Speaking of that, though it's interesting that the conference that Texas schools were in historically was the SOUTHWEST conference. And the UT band is called the Showband of the SOUTHWEST.


So despite everyone's insistence that Texas is "southern" there is some traditions that are contrary to that assumption.
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Old 10-18-2016, 09:31 PM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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Okahoma is NOT Midwest and neither is Colorado.

Quite correct.
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Old 10-18-2016, 09:33 PM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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That may change some day. But it is interesting that historically the Oklahoma programs were associated with teams from the plains states.

Speaking of that, though it's interesting that the conference that Texas schools were in historically was the SOUTHWEST conference. And the UT band is called the Showband of the SOUTHWEST.


So despite everyone's insistence that Texas is "southern" there is some traditions that are contrary to that assumption.
As you well know, Oklahoma actually was a charter member of the Southwest Conf. with decent success, but not the dominance of the Big8.
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