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View Poll Results: What states do you consider Southwestern?
Arizona 96 96.97%
California 34 34.34%
Colorado 20 20.20%
Hawaii 1 1.01%
Kansas 1 1.01%
Nevada 47 47.47%
New Mexico 96 96.97%
Oklahoma 21 21.21%
Texas 36 36.36%
Utah 29 29.29%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 99. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-21-2016, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Tempe, AZ
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I'm guessing they're joke votes.

I voted all of them except for Kansas and Hawaii even though I added them both as options in the poll.
That's what I was thinking... No way there are people that don't think they are Southwestern states haha
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Old 10-23-2016, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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OKC has a lot of Southern Baptists though.

Birmingham - 335,938 (42.0%)
Nashville - 273,261 (32.4%)
Oklahoma City - 244,227 (32.4%)
Memphis - 235,532 (30.2%)
Jacksonville - 200,395 (29.7%)
Louisville - 172,314 (27.9%)
St. Louis - 171,701 (12.5%)
Richmond - 171,694 (27.9%)
Tulsa - 167,733 (32.2%)
San Antonio - 158,386 (13.7%)
Kansas City - 156,792 (15.7%)
Norfolk - 138,469 (20.4%)
Little Rock - 125,653 (34.6%)
Columbia (SC) - 115,242 (30.0%)
Raleigh - 112,687 (22.4%)
Cincinnati - 106,280 (11.3%)
Phoenix - 80,053 (5.1%)
Greensboro - 77,616 (23.9%)
Charleston - 62,494 (20.3%)
Durham - 55,419 (25.6%)
Savannah - 39,872 (21.3%)
El Paso - 26,556 (5.7%)
Omaha - 12,238 (2.9%)
Topeka - 3,943 (3.7%)

Not to say this proves OKC is "southern to the bone." But this is certainly a strong indication of Southerness.
Yes it is. No argument there, however, Oklahoma is no where near as southern as the other typical southern states although it is more southern than anything else as you are suggesting.

It is a very watered down southern.
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Old 10-24-2016, 02:57 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Oklahoma is Southern, not Midwestern.
I see Oklahoma as more southwest than Southeast or Midwestern.



Regions Of The Continental United States. Source: Public Domain.. Royalty Free Cliparts, Vectors, And Stock Illustration. Image 7408647.

Of course some may disagree or further want to subdivide that map by including mountain west, pacific west, pacific northwest, great lakes region, etc...

Here is a census map as well



About the Study - 2005 Traveler Opinion and Perception (TOP) Survey - FHWA

I tend to group regions as Southwest(Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arizona), Mountain West(Colorado, Utah, Idaho, etc.), Pacific west(California, Hawaii, Nevada), Pacific Northwest(Washington, Oregon, Alaska), midwest(Illinois, Kansas, Missouri, Dakotas, Iowa, etc.), Deep south(Louisiana Mississippi, Alabama, etc.) Southeast(Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, etc.), and then the Northeast(New York, Maine, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, etc.)

The only states that I'm not sure to lump in a certain category are Texas, Arkansas, and Georgia.

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Old 10-24-2016, 03:00 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Oklahoma is Southern culturally , linguistically, and demographically. It has more in common with the South than with any other region. It has little in common with the Southwest and little in common with the Midwest. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about.
No it is not. I grew up in Oklahoma and spent a lot of time in the south, and I now live in Los Angeles and spend a lot of time in the southwest. I completely disagree with your assessment.
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Old 10-24-2016, 08:40 AM
 
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I tend to group regions as Southwest(Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arizona), Mountain West(Colorado, Utah, Idaho, etc.), Pacific west(California, Hawaii, Nevada), Pacific Northwest(Washington, Oregon, Alaska), midwest(Illinois, Kansas, Missouri, Dakotas, Iowa, etc.), Deep south(Louisiana Mississippi, Alabama, etc.) Southeast(Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, etc.), and then the Northeast(New York, Maine, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, etc.)

The only states that I'm not sure to lump in a certain category are Texas, Arkansas, and Georgia.
Texas is understandable, and even Arkansas to an extent (Southeast vs South Central). But Georgia?
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Old 10-24-2016, 10:15 AM
 
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Texas is understandable, and even Arkansas to an extent (Southeast vs South Central). But Georgia?
Georgia is undoubtedly southern. Arkansas is southern too. Texas is a huge state, but overall it's southern. In the western part of Texas, that can be considered western. But the part where most of the texas population live is southern. There's a lot of influences in Texas, but overall its southern.

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Old 10-24-2016, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Ohio, USA
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Texas is understandable, and even Arkansas to an extent (Southeast vs South Central). But Georgia?
I think he/she meant to put Louisiana.
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Old 10-24-2016, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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I am baffled by the Rebel flags in OKC. My wife and I make a game of it and see how many we can count in a week. I wish it was 0.
I am baffled by confederate flags ANYWHERE. It's 2016, not 1866. Civil War ended a LONG time ago and anyone, regardless of them being from the North or South is gonna have a hard time convincing me they're not a racist by saying that "the South shoulda won!"

What an awful thing that so many people think that of all the great cultural contributions that came out of the South, like music, food and literature, that the one thing to be proud of is a horrible treasonous war which was based around the fact that white people thought blacks should be property.
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Old 10-24-2016, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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I agree that Texas was the Southwest. this was way back when Illinois was the Northwest. But we have cars and indoor plumbing now. It's a different world.
Except Texas actually goes PRETTY far west, even its eastern most part is at the very least, central in longitude. How is a state where a sizeable chunk of it the desert, NOT the Southwest? How is a state where an even larger chunk is wide open plains with ranches full of grazing cattle, and where you CAN still find actual cowboys, NOT the Southwest? How is a state that borders Mexico, not the Southwest?

When geographically categorising regions GEOGRAPHY should come before culture. But I'd argue Texas is plenty Southwestern culturally. How do you have a state with almost 40% Hispanic population (mostly Mexican) and not be even a little Southwestern culturally? You don't find Mexican populations remotely that large, east of Texas.

Note: This does not mean Texas isn't Southern, just not Southeastern.
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Old 10-24-2016, 01:00 PM
 
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Except Texas actually goes PRETTY far west, even its eastern most part is at the very least, central in longitude. How is a state where a sizeable chunk of it the desert, NOT the Southwest? How is a state where an even larger chunk is wide open plains with ranches full of grazing cattle, and where you CAN still find actual cowboys, NOT the Southwest? How is a state that borders Mexico, not the Southwest?

When geographically categorising regions GEOGRAPHY should come before culture. But I'd argue Texas is plenty Southwestern culturally. How do you have a state with almost 40% Hispanic population (mostly Mexican) and not be even a little Southwestern culturally? You don't find Mexican populations remotely that large, east of Texas.

Note: This does not mean Texas isn't Southern, just not Southeastern.
I don't agree with your first point about the whole southwestern thing (I only consider the western part and some of the southern parts of the state southwestern. Most of the texas population lives in the part considered southern), but I agree with your last point. Texas isn't southeastern, but it's southern (like Oklahoma)
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