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Old 10-18-2016, 03:41 PM
 
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It's not that people in the South don't respect Maryland, they just don't consider really a southern state. Then again, neither does most anyone else. It's the northern state with the most southern feel though
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Old 10-18-2016, 03:52 PM
 
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Most people wouldn't place Maryland in the South, including many Marylanders. The Mason-Dixon line is ridiculously outdated, I mean who's going to place DC and Baltimore in the South? Southern accents don't even exist in much of Maryland, maybe with the possible exception of Tidewater-ish accents in remote Eastern Shore areas or southeast of DC. Even Richmond down in Virginia, the former capital of the Confederacy, straddles the line between the Upper South and Mid-Atlantic nowadays. People further south don't hate Maryland, though. I don't know where that assumption came from.
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Old 10-18-2016, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Derby, CT
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No it's one of the southernmost Northern states.
Maryland's official song

Quote:
Verse I

The despot's heel is on thy shore,
Maryland!*
His torch is at thy temple door,
Maryland!
Avenge the patriotic gore
That flecked the streets of Baltimore,
And be the battle queen of yore,
Maryland! My Maryland!

...

Verse IX

I hear the distant thunder-hum,
Maryland!
The Old Line's bugle, fife, and drum,
Maryland!
She is not dead, nor deaf, nor dumb-
Huzza! she spurns the Northern scum!
She breathes! she burns! she'll come! she'll come!
Maryland! My Maryland!
Maryland disagrees with you.

Anyways, all of the arguments that could be had is in the link in my first post.

Maryland is southern. And before you say it's not, my response to you is "not uh!". Now let us watch as this argument goes on forever.
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Old 10-18-2016, 05:06 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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You sure about that?


Maryland is an integral part of the Bos-Wash corridor, so to say it's not too connected with the Northeast is just off base. I don't consider Maryland to truly be Northeastern, but it certainly looks more northward than southward.
Even the maps you posted clearly show at least some pockets of Southernness in Maryland: particularly the Eastern Shote, where British ancestry is more predominant and "Coke" more popular seemingly in at least a few counties. You wouldn't encounter that in, say, New Jersey.
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Old 10-18-2016, 05:12 PM
 
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Pennsylvania is southern too, but not as much as Maryland is of course.
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Old 10-18-2016, 05:14 PM
 
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Maryland is a Southern state, traditionally (and in some parts, some aspects, remains that way). However, demographically speaking, Southerners are certainly a minority there. But their roots in the state are deeper than those of the more recent, Northern-influenced transplants.
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Old 10-18-2016, 05:22 PM
 
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Maryland is a Southern state, traditionally (and in some parts, some aspects, remains that way). However, demographically speaking, Southerners are certainly a minority there. But their roots in the state are deeper than those of the more recent, Northern-influenced transplants.
That's why I suggested visiting Baltimore. It's authentic, without all the northern transplants.
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Old 10-18-2016, 05:26 PM
 
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I would say Virginia is more northern and Maryland is more southern.
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Old 10-18-2016, 05:35 PM
 
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Arguing that Maryland is still southern is like arguing that Florida south of Gainesville is still southern, there's just no point.
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Old 10-18-2016, 05:41 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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That's why I suggested visiting Baltimore. It's authentic, without all the northern transplants.
Baltimore is mostly black. They may have Southern roots, but the dynamics of black culture & ethnicity are much different from those of white Americans. That is, black Americans are sort of a common ethnicity with Southern origins, but they've since dispersed throughout the country (although still highly concentrated in some areas of the Southern lowcountry).

But we don't call, e.g., Detroit "Southern" for its demographics, so this whole topic of discussion pertains most of all to native white ethnic Southerners, who comprise a sort of ethnicity of their own from shared experience living in the same land - although probably less solidified as an ethnicity than anything you'd encounter in Europe. Ethnogenesis happens even in lieu of explicit ethnic self-identity, but it's got to have some basis in shared history, heritage, culture, etc.

So developing a coherent ethnic idea of what constitutes a white Southerner is critical to understanding why Southernness cannot be completely written off the case of Maryland, for example, simply because most of its (white) population is non-Southern. Because many Marylanders are still Southerners on the basis of ancestry, combined with at least a modicum of cognizance of the significance of their predominant ancestry.
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