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Old 10-30-2016, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Illinois is not in serious decline. In fact, I don't think any entire state is in serious decline. Maybe a few parts of WV are though.

Chicago as a city is reaching maturity. It is a well-diversified, world class city and can weather almost any economic storm.
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Old 10-30-2016, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Chicago proper may be losing some population, but the metro may not be. City proper in my opinion is a poor measure of city size and health. Urban area or metro area is much better since they include the suburbs. If you are going by recent estimates, those are just the best estimates, not actual results. Plus even if there was a decline it would be small as a percentage of Chicago urban area population of 8 million. Not every city can grow forever, and it's especially more difficult for highly populated areas. It is crazy though how much of Illinois lives in Chicago.

Also, I just really think it's a stretch to say an entire state is in decline. Illinois is very diversified in agriculture, manufacturing, and transportation, and there is still plenty of time to reverse its trend by 2020 census figures. Maybe a part of it is in decline (certain sections of Chicago), but overall as a state it has a lot to stabilize itself. I realize as an Indiana person you may want to bash Illinois just like me as a PA person am not very fond of New Jersey. But that shouldn't get in the way of your judgement.

Real question, is population loss equivalent to overall loss? Are there other variables like property, outside investment, location near another city area in decline that equate to overall loss?
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Old 10-31-2016, 12:22 AM
 
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Last week I was in Bridgeport, Connecticut, which didn't seem to be doing all too well. I felt like I was in Northwest Indiana.

While I'm not personally familiar, what's going on with the blue-collar, agricultural cities of Central California: Bakersfield, Fresno, Modesto, and Stockton? Are these cities changing for better or for worse?

Outside of Portland and Seattle, which seem to be doing well, is there much decline in the Pacific Northwest?
Fresno is the 5th largest city in CA
as for population growth:
2000 427,652 20.7%
2010 494,665 15.7%
Est. 2015 520,052 [48] 5.1%
U.S. Decennial Census[49]

neighboring clovis adds an easy another 100K population.

America

So the Valley is good at least Fresno.
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Old 10-31-2016, 01:08 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Illinois also has the LARGEST population loss of any state in America. You can not look me in the eye with an honest face and say Illinois is not declining. Living in Denial about it doesn't change the reality.
Since when? The 2010 Census showed only Michigan with a population loss of any of the fifty states, and estimates show only West Virginia as losing population from 2010 to 2015. Both losses were also very small.
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Old 10-31-2016, 04:00 AM
 
Location: St Simons Island, GA
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Serious decline? Not that I'm aware.

Slight decline or slightly beyond reaching maturity? Flint MI, Youngstown OH, Johnstown PA. Nothing against these places at all. They are just having some troubles. They still can get back on track in time. I've never been to these, but I do know there are good people who live there. I'm sure they are good places to live and have a happy life (Flint needs to fix their water though).

The largest urban area that I could even think of being near decline is New Orleans LA, which is still rebuilding after Katrina. I'm sure people will freak out by me using it as an example, but it is true to a good extent. New Orleans lost something in a big way that it may never get back from the disaster. It worries me that it could be another tragedy waiting to happen.

For some reason I also think Atlantic City NJ is not doing that well either. Not sure if it is in decline, but it is struggling to compete as a tourist/gaming destination as PA and other states have legalized gambling to varying degrees, which is more convenient/closer to Atlantic City's target audience. If Atlantic City is unable to reposition itself it could have troubles. Also it is susceptible to hurricane damage and flooding.

Last point, it is important not to confuse reaching maturity with being in decline. There are many metros that are stabilized, and there is nothing wrong with that at all.
No, you are not wrong about New Orleans...and it's decline was in motion long before Katrina.
You're dead on about Atlantic City. The casinos contributed absolutely nothing to the city. If the owners could build a Berlin Wall around them, they would. Every time I go there, I leave depressed.
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Old 10-31-2016, 04:53 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Chicago has the largest population loss of any major US city. That is not (Maturity)
2nd Decatur, Cairo, Rockford, East St Louis, Peoria, Danville, Kankakee, Moline, The entire South Suburbs of Chicago, Springfield, and many other cities across the state are in decline and you see it with the major population loss in those communities. The Boarded up homes, storefronts etc.
Illinois also has the LARGEST population loss of any state in America. You can not look me in the eye with an honest face and say Illinois is not declining. Living in Denial about it doesn't change the reality.

Gee, Mac, from every post of yours I read, I get this funny feeling you seem to hate All Things Chicago. of course, it could just be my imagination.
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Old 10-31-2016, 05:13 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Oh goodie, look: just in time for Halloween a thread full of trolls bashing places. One might call it the Monster Bash.
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Old 10-31-2016, 05:19 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Suburbs aren't necessarily more affordable than nicer city neighborhoods in these areas though. Suburban and rural villages can have some amenities including walkability to where they have their own scene, but you are likely to go into the city for more amenities.

I also don't know if all of the suburbs in these areas are "booming", as it will depend on the suburban area.
Not anymore. The burbs offer everything (and in some cases more than) the cities have, including festivals, shopping, art events, new restaurants, colleges, etc.. PLUS no homeless, no gangs, better school districts, no decay, and amenities all within a 5 min drive. The only thing downtowns offer are major sporting events.
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Old 10-31-2016, 07:18 AM
 
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Not anymore. The burbs offer everything (and in some cases more than) the cities have, including festivals, shopping, art events, new restaurants, colleges, etc.. PLUS no homeless, no gangs, better school districts, no decay, and amenities all within a 5 min drive. The only thing downtowns offer are major sporting events.
All of this will depend on the suburb as well. You may have those things in the suburbs, but they may not be as extensive as you would find within a city and even within the city, certain aspects will depend on the neighborhood.
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Old 10-31-2016, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Kokomo is growing pretty decently. Muncie is already growing and has turned around. Heck it gained population from 2000-2010. Anderson is more stagnant than declining.
You should probably stick to your small tiny town in the middle of hill billy Tennessee
Kokomo has the transmission plant keeping them partly afloat. Muncie has Ball State. The economies of those three cities were all manufacturing based and none of them have made a good transition outside of manufacturing. Kokomo may have gained some population with the transmission plant and proximity to that prison off 31 to the north of there but it's probably the only that has done anything nominally.
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