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Old 11-15-2016, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Oh stop it OP, the "majority" of the city of Phoenix is not run down. I live in the city, and my neighborhood is very nice, quite pricey as well. The only generally run down parts of the city are the south and west sides, and a small part of the east side. The central city from downtown northward, Ahwatukee, the eastside north of Oak St and the whole northside are not run down at all!
The South and West side of Phoenix is basically half the city right there. The West-side of Phoenix alone is larger in land area then most big cities, same with South Phoenix.

They do have pricey areas but that is mainly Arcadia, Biltmore and Camelback Corridor which are only a few minutes from nice Scottsdale areas.

Other then a tiny area near downtown, the nice areas of Phoenix tend to be outskirts of the city and are very new areas.

There are many blighted areas on the east side also. Basically South of Thomas all the way to close to the Scottsdale border doesn't look nice at all.

Northeast Phoenix is nice because it borders Scottsdale.

Ahwatukee is seperated by South Mountain from Phoenix and open-space. Ahwatukee is considered Phoenix but is right next to Chandler which is the secound-highest per-capita income of any major suburb of the valley.

Ahwatukee is next to Chandler and seperated by a huge mountain park from South Phoenix.

Phoenix per-capita income ranges from $23,000-$25,000 according to American factfinder from 2011-2015

Child poverty rate is Phoenix has ranged from 32% to 36% over the time period also.

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Old 11-15-2016, 12:00 PM
 
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The correlation between deterioration and graffiti isn't there. nor connected housing. It starts with deterioration and/or abandonment and has nothing to do with housing style.
Graffiti is like plaque on teeth(any deterioration is magnified greatly; makes buildings/neighborhoods look dirty and neglected). Housing style is a convenience factor for the graffiti artists(especially in inner city environments). More wall area (as in row houses) equals more opportunities for graffiti. Now, most houses in the south are ranch style with front yards. Not enough surface areas to write on.
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Old 11-15-2016, 03:13 PM
 
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The reason cities like Phoenix, Las Vegas or Tampa are lacking really run-down areas is because they're quite simply not old enough yet to the cities you're comparing with that were built out 100 years or so ago versus 50 years ago. Give it another 30-40 years and one will see the deterioration you're referring to in the Sunbelt cities also. It's the American way....build, use, dispose of or allow to fall into disrepair, build new and repeat.
This 100%
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Old 11-15-2016, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Thunder Bay, ON
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Graffiti is like plaque on teeth(any deterioration is magnified greatly; makes buildings/neighborhoods look dirty and neglected). Housing style is a convenience factor for the graffiti artists(especially in inner city environments). More wall area (as in row houses) equals more opportunities for graffiti. Now, most houses in the south are ranch style with front yards. Not enough surface areas to write on.
Or maybe you need to go into people's yards for that which is a deterrent. Rowhouses you can graffiti while still being on public property (ie from the sidewalk).

To be honest though, graffiti isn't really a defining feature of deteriorated rowhouse neighbourhoods. You might have a bit of tagging on abandoned rowhouses, mostly on side walls and boarded up windows since that's where it stands out more and where residents are least likely to care (since there are no residents). Go to the worst parts of Baltimore, Philadelphia or Pittsburgh and you're probably still going to have a hard time finding graffiti on the front of an occupied rowhouse.

The most common places for graffiti would be on blank walls in back alleys, especially in downtown type settings or warehouse districts. That's followed by other "ugly" structures and objects like garages, utility boxes, dumpsters, transportation related structures like undersides of overpasses, railway cars... It helps if you won't be seen while you're doing graffiti, which is probably why it's more common in non-residential areas that are completely deserted at night like industrial areas, railyards and certain parts of certain downtowns.

Defining characteristics of bad neighbourhoods, aside from abandoned buildings and vacant lots, would be lots of garbage strewn about, and other signs of neglect like peeling paint and cracked foundations, crumbling staircases, rust, overgrown lawns, peeling/crumbling roof shingles. Most of these could in theory happen to bad neighbourhoods of Phoenix if neglected long enough, although in Phoenix neglected landscaping probably just means no landscaping.

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Old 11-15-2016, 05:24 PM
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If an area is impoverished for several generations, it tends to become a high-crime area because parents in poverty are so busy trying to get enough income and to make ends meet that they don't have enough time for their teenagers. Neglected teenagers start gangs, which keep getting more and more violent, generation after generation. They keep recruiting younger and younger, and get the recruits involved in more and more violence at earlier ages, till they have nothing to look forward to but a lifetime of violence. Thus the formula for a high-crime area is not just poverty, but generations of poverty. As the violence grows, the residents of the neighborhood acquire weapons to defend themselves. A lot of those weapons end up in the hands of the gang members, which causes the violence to increase even faster.
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Old 11-15-2016, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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The South and West side of Phoenix is basically half the city right there. The West-side of Phoenix alone is larger in land area then most big cities, same with South Phoenix.

They do have pricey areas but that is mainly Arcadia, Biltmore and Camelback Corridor which are only a few minutes from nice Scottsdale areas.

Other then a tiny area near downtown, the nice areas of Phoenix tend to be outskirts of the city and are very new areas.

There are many blighted areas on the east side also. Basically South of Thomas all the way to close to the Scottsdale border doesn't look nice at all.

Northeast Phoenix is nice because it borders Scottsdale.

Ahwatukee is seperated by South Mountain from Phoenix and open-space. Ahwatukee is considered Phoenix but is right next to Chandler which is the secound-highest per-capita income of any major suburb of the valley.

Ahwatukee is next to Chandler and seperated by a huge mountain park from South Phoenix.

Phoenix per-capita income ranges from $23,000-$25,000 according to American factfinder from 2011-2015

Child poverty rate is Phoenix has ranged from 32% to 36% over the time period also.

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I live off 19th Ave&Maryland, and it is very nice on my stretch of Maryland, and that is only 5 miles north of Roosevelt Row
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Old 11-15-2016, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles,CA & Scottsdale, AZ
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Oh stop it OP, the "majority" of the city of Phoenix is not run down. I live in the city, and my neighborhood is very nice, quite pricey as well. The only generally run down parts of the city are the south and west sides, and a small part of the east side. The central city from downtown northward, Ahwatukee, the eastside north of Oak St and the whole northside are not run down at all!
I agree...what a complete joke. I'd even venture to say that a larger portion of LA is more rundown than Phoenix.
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Old 11-16-2016, 12:51 AM
 
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Graffiti is like plaque on teeth(any deterioration is magnified greatly; makes buildings/neighborhoods look dirty and neglected). Housing style is a convenience factor for the graffiti artists(especially in inner city environments). More wall area (as in row houses) equals more opportunities for graffiti. Now, most houses in the south are ranch style with front yards. Not enough surface areas to write on.
Graffiti artists typically don't write on homes, rather commercial buildings like warehouses or on infrastructure such as bridges and overpasses...
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Old 11-16-2016, 01:13 AM
 
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Attached housing doesn't contribute to blight at all. NYC has the most urban housing stock in the country and it has been booming over the years.
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Old 11-16-2016, 06:18 AM
 
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Attached housing doesn't contribute to blight at all. NYC has the most urban housing stock in the country and it has been booming over the years.
You're absolutely right. It's a silly, suburban POV. The few Chicago neighborhoods with significant amounts of attached housing are among the nicest. Most of DC's worst neighborhoods have lower rates of attached housing than its nicer neighborhood. Detroit and New Orleans have plenty of blight without rowhomes.

Generational poverty and abandonment cause neighborhoods to fall into disrepair.
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