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Old 11-18-2016, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Poughkeepsie, New York
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ok, the country would break part if go to national popular vote. Trump won 85 percent of the counties in the country but you want the power in the hands of 15 percent of the counties.
I mean, if the majority of people live in those 15% of counties, why not?
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Old 11-18-2016, 12:59 PM
 
Location: A van down by the river
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I was under the impression they were moving to Canada.
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Old 11-18-2016, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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I mean, if the majority of people live in those 15% of counties, why not?
because then the rest of the country are basically colonies.

you also have varying interests in the country. example, in states like WV, there is a lot more support for coal than liberal metroes like NYC and LA. so the anti-coal people would have total power with no hope to change that by people in the coal states. Trump won all the coal states big league.

part of the reason the civil war happened is people in the south though the north had too much power due to their much larger population. the electoral college helps prevent this fracturing of a country across regions.
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Old 11-18-2016, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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you weren't complaining about electoral college when Obama won it twice and Clinton won it twice.
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if we went to national popular vote, candidates would just campaign in the highly populated areas and the different interests of the less populated areas would be ignored. there is no reason to have states at all if we switch to national popular vote.
That really has nothing to do with the point I made. You said that urban areas have too much power over rural areas. But it's often the case that lightly populated areas have power that is out of proportion to their numbers. The electoral college was designed to limit the influence of larger states by essentially diluting their votes.

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should also p oint out that in states like NY and California, republicans don't turnout b/c they know they have no shot of winning the state. if we moved to popular vote model, then more GOP voters will turnout in those super blue states because don't need to win the state , just help increase the national popular vote.
Your statement assumes that Democrats are turning out their full vote in solidly blue states. That's not really true. New York City actually punches below its weight in turnout. The District of Columbia goes about 90% Democratic on average with turnout below 50%. If both parties put their full weight into increasing turnout in New York or California, the Democrats would have even bigger margins since Democratic voters in these states are more likely to be low-propensity voters.
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Old 11-18-2016, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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it would be interesting experiment to see what would happen if blue states and red state broke off into two separate countries. which country would have the best economy. my money is on the red state one.
Because it's so clear that South Carolina is outperforming Massachusetts on every objective metric.
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Old 11-18-2016, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Poughkeepsie, New York
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because then the rest of the country are basically colonies.
How so?
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Old 11-18-2016, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Because it's so clear that South Carolina is outperforming Massachusetts on every objective metric.
is it? high tax, high cost of living place to live. i would say it outperforms SC for the 1 percent maybe. the middle class and poor are much better off in SC. which is why so many are moving to the south rather than Mass.

just saw in news yesterday an aerospace company is moving from Chicago to Greenville SC. we are stealing blue state jobs with our pro-business policies.
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Old 11-18-2016, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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How so?
because the federal government will only be looking out for the interests of liberal people in the big metroes. the other areas of the country will be ignored. electoral college forcing politicians to consider the positions of people in Iowa, SC, NH, etc. i think that is a good thing.
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Old 11-18-2016, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Poughkeepsie, New York
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you also have varying interests in the country. example, in states like WV, there is a lot more support for coal than liberal metroes like NYC and LA. so the anti-coal people would have total power with no hope to change that by people in the coal states. Trump won all the coal states big league.

part of the reason the civil war happened is people in the south though the north had too much power due to their much larger population. the electoral college helps prevent this fracturing of a country across regions.
Aside from the fact that coal-mining is a rapidly-dying industry with no real future, you seem to ignore the little tidbit that the system as it is overwhelmingly favors rural areas.

Also, the electoral college was in place for the 1860 election. It seems it didn't do its job very well
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Old 11-18-2016, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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is it? high tax, high cost of living place to live. i would say it outperforms SC for the 1 percent maybe. the middle class and poor are much better off in SC. which is why so many are moving to the south rather than Mass.
Eh.

Percentage of Population Without Health Insurance

Massachusetts - 3.8%
South Carolina - 15.9%
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