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Old 12-05-2016, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Clemson, SC by way of Tyler,TX
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Detroit to Michigan? Isn't Michigan otherwise a serene state? But, I know Detroit's history put Michigan on the map as well.
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Old 12-05-2016, 11:28 AM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere
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^ No use in trying to communicate that to bawac, he's hopelessly misguided. Even the core of OKC is not very conservative.



Tulsa is more conservative than OKC, and only receives 4.5 inches more precipitation than OKC annually. Hardly dryer than Tulsa.
Tulsa is less evangelical by a good deal, and because of that, it doesn't "feel" as conservative. Tulsa also has a much higher level of "nones". Voting patterns don't tell the entire story. Oklahoma City is considerably more conservative on social issues (religion, separation of church and state, LGBT issues) than Tulsa is. From my experience, Tulsa Republicanism is more "less government, Don't Tread On Me" Republicanism while OKC is more "Reclaim America for Christ" Republicanism.

Oklahoma County

Evangelical Protestant 325,241 (45.3%)
Mainline Protestant 83,693 (11.6%)
Catholic 61,318 (8.5%)
Other 26,587 (3.7%)
Black Protestant 22,346 (3.1%)
Orthodox 1,807 (0.3%)
None 197,641 (27.5%)
Total Adherents 520,992 (72.5%)

Tulsa County

Evangelical Protestant 213,615 (35.4%)
Mainline Protestant 85,250 (14.1%)
Catholic 49,144 (8.1%)
Other 17,310 (2.9%)
Black Protestant 12,226 (2.0%)
Orthodox 778 (0.1%)
None 225,080 (37.3%)
Total Adherents 378,323 (62.7%)
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Old 12-05-2016, 12:13 PM
 
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OKC has more interracial relationships and is more culturally diverse. Less segregated too. Tulsa also has a few ghettos that can be compared to some of the worst in the US. It's not all about greenery there and let's face it if you choose any city in Oklahoma for the good weather you are an idiot.

Most people enjoy the more down to earth nature of central OK and it is attractive to moderate conservatives from more liberal states in the west. Better education too and lower cost of living. I could go on. Tulsa is a nice city that has some different things to offer than OKC, but it is not the liberal paradise on the plains that some think it is. Maybe it is less religious and has pockets that cater to certain lifestyles that OKC doesn't, but it also has the reputation of being a place that looks down others and is not accepting too.

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Old 12-05-2016, 12:37 PM
 
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Tulsa is less evangelical by a good deal, and because of that, it doesn't "feel" as conservative. Tulsa also has a much higher level of "nones". Voting patterns don't tell the entire story. Oklahoma City is considerably more conservative on social issues (religion, separation of church and state, LGBT issues) than Tulsa is. From my experience, Tulsa Republicanism is more "less government, Don't Tread On Me" Republicanism while OKC is more "Reclaim America for Christ" Republicanism.

Oklahoma County

Evangelical Protestant 325,241 (45.3%)
Mainline Protestant 83,693 (11.6%)
Catholic 61,318 (8.5%)
Other 26,587 (3.7%)
Black Protestant 22,346 (3.1%)
Orthodox 1,807 (0.3%)
None 197,641 (27.5%)
Total Adherents 520,992 (72.5%)

Tulsa County

Evangelical Protestant 213,615 (35.4%)
Mainline Protestant 85,250 (14.1%)
Catholic 49,144 (8.1%)
Other 17,310 (2.9%)
Black Protestant 12,226 (2.0%)
Orthodox 778 (0.1%)
None 225,080 (37.3%)
Total Adherents 378,323 (62.7%)
Are we talking about the same Tulsa which has Oral Roberts University?
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Old 12-05-2016, 01:09 PM
 
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I think El Paso hurts the reputation of Texas.
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Old 12-05-2016, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Brockton, Lawrence, Lowell, Springfield, Holyoke, Fall River, New Bedford, Chelsea
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Old 12-05-2016, 01:10 PM
 
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Tulsa is less evangelical by a good deal, and because of that, it doesn't "feel" as conservative. Tulsa also has a much higher level of "nones". Voting patterns don't tell the entire story. Oklahoma City is considerably more conservative on social issues (religion, separation of church and state, LGBT issues) than Tulsa is. From my experience, Tulsa Republicanism is more "less government, Don't Tread On Me" Republicanism while OKC is more "Reclaim America for Christ" Republicanism.
It's somewhat hard to believe that Tulsa is significantly less evangelical than OKC. Tulsa has long been a stronghold of evangelicalism and home to some of the most prominent evangelicals in the country (Oral Roberts, Kenneth Hagin, Billy Joe Dougherty, Carlton Pearson, etc.).
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Old 12-05-2016, 01:17 PM
 
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Possibly, but by different groups of people. Ultra-liberal places, like San Francisco or Portland, generally have a much higher quality of life and much better image than ultra-conservative places like Oklahoma and Alabama. There are exceptions like Detroit, which is an example of a failed liberal city. However, I am not aware of a single vibrant far-right city. Even red state cities like Austin, Dallas, Atlanta, etc are blue at the local level.
Dallas is important in the Metroplex and is, like the rest of it, growing. Unquestionably, Dallas has nearly all the "urban" neighborhoods. However, Dallas is only a portion of the metro, the only blue city, if I remember correctly, and probably ranks among the worse among the municipalities for things like income equality and primary education. All the suburbs, especially the vibrant one, and Fort Worth are Red or Purple.
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Old 12-05-2016, 01:19 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere
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I think El Paso hurts the reputation of Texas.
Not sure I agree with that. El Paso is kind of an afterthought when it comes to most people's perception of Texas. I think the area of the state that comes closest to its stereotypes is the corridor from Amarillo down to Midland-Odessa. This region also has an outsized influence on the state's politics.
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Old 12-05-2016, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Cbus
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I disagree. Youngstown's decline from a mid sized industrial city into a much smaller Rustbelt relic easily makes it the poster child of Ohio's alleged demise. Rural areas were not included in the OP's discussion.
How many people outside of Ohio/PA/WV are familiar with Youngstown? I would venture not many.
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