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View Poll Results: do Black Southerners sound like White ones?
Yes - They have distinct variations that give them away 61 85.92%
No - I think everyone in the South sounds the same 10 14.08%
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Old 12-11-2016, 06:00 PM
 
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Lots of white southerners in AL don't pronounce their R's.
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Old 12-11-2016, 07:22 PM
 
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Lots of white southerners in AL don't pronounce their R's.
I know and that's why I included other aspects of African American speech that differs from those of European descent. It's not just the R. Heck, Blacks in Philly say their R's and still don't sound like Whites who also say their R's.
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Old 12-12-2016, 10:56 PM
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What prominent African American communities are in Appalachian? Where?

Can ATL be considered a related Appalachian dialect? It is after all near the Piedmont.
Nah, ATL's dialect(s) are nothing like the twangy very rhotic Appalachian dialects and accents. They really are night and day. It really doesn't influence ATL like you'd think it would. The majority of Appalachian people tend to avoid ATL because it isn't their cup of tea.

From personal experience with traveling through the mountains, White and Black Appalachian people sound exactly the same....it will blow your mind (East TN, Western NC & VA, Southeast KY, and WV all sound the same and you can't tell if they're White, Black, Latino, or Indian if they grew up in the area.
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Old 12-12-2016, 10:57 PM
 
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I can usually tell anyone's race just by listening to them.
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Old 12-13-2016, 01:47 AM
 
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Not just the South, a case can be made that there isn't a place in the entire USA where blacks and whites have more in common linguistically, or rhythmically, than in New Orleans.
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Old 12-13-2016, 08:53 AM
 
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Not just the South, a case can be made that there isn't a place in the entire USA where blacks and whites have more in common linguistically, or rhythmically, than in New Orleans.
I have never heard a White New Orleanian sound like a Black one. Heck in my opinion the Blacks of NOLA sound super old and country rural like almost a stereotypical slave whereas the Whites sound kind of Northern with their very nasal "eeeah" sounds on words with short A. Reminds me of Chicago kind of. Or like Cincinnati.

The Blacks there honestly wouldn't sound too different from some Caribbean actually.
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Old 12-13-2016, 08:55 AM
 
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I can usually tell anyone's race just by listening to them.
I can't tell Asians apart from White people whatsoever. Or Indians for that matter. Latinos sometimes have a slight Spanish accent so that one is easy and Blacks tend to maintain even a slight Southern carryover. But Asians I tend to find lose their accent the most effectively and take on whatever the White population has.
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Old 12-13-2016, 08:58 AM
 
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Nah, ATL's dialect(s) are nothing like the twangy very rhotic Appalachian dialects and accents. They really are night and day. It really doesn't influence ATL like you'd think it would. The majority of Appalachian people tend to avoid ATL because it isn't their cup of tea.

From personal experience with traveling through the mountains, White and Black Appalachian people sound exactly the same....it will blow your mind (East TN, Western NC & VA, Southeast KY, and WV all sound the same and you can't tell if they're White, Black, Latino, or Indian if they grew up in the area.
Appalachian Latinos? That's a first.

Is Asheville Appalachian? It would be interesting to hear what those hillbilly hippies sound like.

Pittsburgh is an Appalachian city where only the White population has a distinctively unique dialect heard only there. I never ever saw Blacks in Pittsburgh who spoke that odd almost English/ Scottish hybrid accent. The Pittsburgh accent seems to be really a White thing.

Now the ATL White accent to me isn't Appalachian but it also differs a lot from the Southern accents in general. It has a very Midwest nasal quality and the speakers therein could fit in lots of the Lower Midwest or the Mid-Atlantic. Like if a White person from ATL told me they were from Ohio or Kansas I would just say "ok".

But the Black ATL accent is super drawled out and country sounding IMO. T.I. sounds like a good Ole boy and most ATL Blacks I find have a very stereotypical Southern drawl. I don't know why the Whites don't. But then again the same thing happened to Charleston Whites who went from sounding Irish Caribbean to sounding Midwestern all of a sudden. Or how NOLA whites at one point sounded French and now they sound like big city Yankees.

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Old 12-13-2016, 12:17 PM
 
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I can't tell Asians apart from White people whatsoever. Or Indians for that matter. Latinos sometimes have a slight Spanish accent so that one is easy and Blacks tend to maintain even a slight Southern carryover. But Asians I tend to find lose their accent the most effectively and take on whatever the White population has.
It's not an accent. It's the sound of the voice.
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Old 12-13-2016, 12:27 PM
 
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It's not an accent. It's the sound of the voice.
I understand that in different phenotypes things like oral cavity vary but in terms of ethnic groups they don't. Like, can you tell an Amerindian Latino apart from a European descended one? Or African? Because it is true that Blacks speak as lower registers but a lot of that could be carryover from West African languages.

Also when you consider that physically speaking many Indians have the same oral cavity size as Europeans, how do you propose they would sound differently? Sounds like a neat theory but i doubt you can tell in highly Americanized populations especially between Whites and Asians whom have a smaller oral cavity variance than say, Blacks and Asians.
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