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Old 10-24-2017, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Illinois
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Louisville has 600,000 in city and 1.3 million metro, 1.5 million CSA. It's a big city IMO if you consider Indianapolis one
I Googled it, and it came up with 253K. Looked again, and the google result pulled 1999 numbers. WTF???

Yeah 600K makes way more sense. Did Louisville suddenly annex a bunch of smaller areas?

The increase from 2000 to 2010 is over 100% in city proper. Hard to believe that's just organic growth
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Old 10-24-2017, 09:01 AM
 
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Smallest major city/metro: Midland - Odessa, TX

Biggest Non-Major city/metro: Bend, OR
To a muscle-powered outdoors person, Bend is major, not far off Boulder's obviously pre-eminent rank.

That's a perception screen that wipes out the entire state of Texas, though, and ranks Asheville as NC's #1 city.
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Old 10-24-2017, 09:04 AM
 
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I Googled it, and it came up with 253K. Looked again, and the google result pulled 1999 numbers. WTF???

Yeah 600K makes way more sense. Did Louisville suddenly annex a bunch of smaller areas?

The increase from 2000 to 2010 is over 100% in city proper. Hard to believe that's just organic growth
Louisville consolidated with Jefferson County in 2003.
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Old 10-24-2017, 09:08 AM
 
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Houston has so much infrastructure woes that I just can't bring myself to class it as a major city.
That's an American problem across the board. Despite that, Houston is unquestionably a major city.
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Old 10-24-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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The definitions aren't clear but as an example the cities of Memphis and Nashville have a 30k difference of population within city limits as of 2016. However if you spend time in both cities you will come away that Nashville metro is a player on the national scale and a smaller tier major city; whereas Memphis is a regional player and much less significant than it's population might suggest.
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Old 10-24-2017, 01:22 PM
 
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If you're basing your threshold for what's considered "major" on clickbait articles, then I really don't know what to say.



Of course you didn't but that's not the point. When it comes to municipal population, much of that is determined by state laws that regulate how cities are able to annex, city-county consolidation, etc. Using a standard metric like MSA is a much, much better way to determine major city status.

Economy, amenities, infrastructure, etc. play much bigger roles when it comes to being "major" than just municipal population. Cities can annex to the hinterlands to get 200,000 people but that means next to nothing in the grand scheme of things.
MSA doesn't really work either, it's too arbitrary
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Old 10-24-2017, 01:24 PM
 
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I Googled it, and it came up with 253K. Looked again, and the google result pulled 1999 numbers. WTF???

Yeah 600K makes way more sense. Did Louisville suddenly annex a bunch of smaller areas?

The increase from 2000 to 2010 is over 100% in city proper. Hard to believe that's just organic growth
Louisville's city limits look really weird so that would make senss
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Old 10-24-2017, 01:34 PM
 
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MSA doesn't really work either, it's too arbitrary
MSA isn't perfect, but it's definitely not arbitrary at all. There are very clear criteria that apply across the board based on commuting patterns.

My preference is somewhere between urbanized area and MSA.
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Old 10-24-2017, 02:18 PM
 
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MSA isn't perfect, but it's definitely not arbitrary at all. There are very clear criteria that apply across the board based on commuting patterns.

My preference is somewhere between urbanized area and MSA.
I disagree, especially for metros under about 2 million, MSA's are better than UA's. An example I have is Rochester, go 7-8 miles from the city South, and you are in a rural area. However, many people commute and entertain themselves in the actual city of Rochester even if they live out in Rush or Livingston County.

While places like NY or Washington the Urban area sprawls enough that one of two things happen 1) outside the urban area the city is almost inaccessible for everyday events or 2) the rural population contribution is so small it is irrelevant, that isn't true in Rochester, or similarly sized cities, but Southern Monroe County, Livingston County etc. that have densities under 500ppsm have about 1/3rd of the total population of the metro, and it starts really close to the city center.
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Old 10-24-2017, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Mt. Airy
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Smallest major: Miami
Largest non-major: Minneapolis, Denver, San Diego

It's kind of a balancing act with metro vs. city pop vs. region vs. city function. For example, San Diego has a large city population, but its MSA is not much larger than Denver, but smaller than Minneapolis. However, Denver is probably the most influential in its region since there aren't a lot of other large cities around. So, Denver may move up to major and others may stay as non-major.

And if that doesn't make sense, who cares really.
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