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Old 10-26-2017, 05:01 AM
 
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25% of Suffolk commutes to NYC? I find that hard to believe.

In most of Suffolk, the average resident doesn't go to NYC at all except maybe to see a Ranger game or a Billy Joel concert. It's a different world out there.

And Montauk is like 3 hours away from the NYC border, they're really not intertwined at all.
We donít need 25% of Suffolk commuting into the city. All we need is 25% of Suffolk commuting into Nassau County.
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Old 10-26-2017, 06:18 AM
 
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25% of Suffolk commutes to NYC? I find that hard to believe.
They don't have to commute directly into the city, but into one of the core metro counties. As gladhands stated, that would probably be Nassau County.
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Old 10-26-2017, 11:07 AM
 
Location: The Springs
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I consider Albuquerque major for its region, but only because the region's other major cities (Denver, Phoenix) are a good seven hours drive away.

And at about a million in the area, it stands in stark contrast with the thousands of square miles of emptiness that surrounds it.
I can see that. Except 65 miles south of Denver you have Colorado Springs at 712,000. The COS/PUB "South Central Colorado Urban Area" is 925,000.
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Old 10-27-2017, 01:38 PM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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I can see that. Except 65 miles south of Denver you have Colorado Springs at 712,000. The COS/PUB "South Central Colorado Urban Area" is 925,000.
Yeah, but that is only 65 miles south of Denver. By 75 mph interstate, no less.

By standards of a lot of people in the west, that is practically in Denver.
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Old 10-28-2017, 04:04 PM
 
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We donít need 25% of Suffolk commuting into the city. All we need is 25% of Suffolk commuting into Nassau County.
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They don't have to commute directly into the city, but into one of the core metro counties. As gladhands stated, that would probably be Nassau County.
I live in Nassau County and it's nothing like NYC.
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Old 11-02-2017, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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Metro NYC contains Montauk because it's in Suffolk County, which has at least 25% of its workers commuting to the core NYC counties. That's the opposite of arbitrary.

You may dispute the county-based nature of MSAs, but the designation of MSAs is not arbitrary by definition.
I think this is a good example of why using MSA doesn't necessarily work when considering the totality of a "major city." Yes, Montauk is in Suffolk County; and yes, Suffolk County meets the definition for inclusion in New York's MSA. But if you're going to say that Montauk is somehow part of New York, you might as well say the same for Wilmington, or Atlantic City, or Reading; they're all about the same distance away from New York.

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Old 11-02-2017, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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Without naming cities, I think a lot more than population and sports teams go into determining major vs. non-major cities. For example, I feel like New Orleans is a major city and Providence is not. However, Providence has a larger metropolitan area. For me, New Orleans is more important culturally and economically to its region and the country as a whole than Providence is. It's more influential, and it's far better known (and visited). For me, differentiating between major and minor cities is highly subjective.
I would agree with this. Sure, population plays a part in what can be considered "major." After all, Barrow Alaska is fairly well known for a city of its size (at least among geography geeks) and it plays a significant role in the entire Arctic northern Alaska region. But no one would ever consider it "major."

By the same token, mere size does not "major" make, as evidenced by all the comments about the Inland Empire.

I think to be considered major, a combination of factors must come into play: population, sports teams, regional influence, tourism draw, cultural importance, availability of direct international air service, how famous it is, and so on and so on. As to where to draw the line, I don't know. We all agree that New York is major and Barrow isn't, but where the cut-off is, I couldn't say.
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Old 11-02-2017, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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I can't see San Jose as a major city, more like an optical illusion, it's small
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Old 11-07-2017, 01:29 AM
 
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I think this is a good example of why using MSA doesn't necessarily work when considering the totality of a "major city." Yes, Montauk is in Suffolk County; and yes, Suffolk County meets the definition for inclusion in New York's MSA. But if you're going to say that Montauk is somehow part of New York, you might as well say the same for Wilmington, or Atlantic City, or Reading; they're all about the same distance away from New York.
Exactly.

Actually, Philadelphia might be closer to Manhattan than Montauk. I guess Philly is the same thing as NYC now.
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Old 11-07-2017, 07:36 AM
 
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Considering what has happened to them in the past half-century, I'd say St. Louis, Pittsburgh, and Buffalo all qualify. The population losses since 1950 or so make them seem "mid-sized" now, although they may not be regarded as such, in terms of perceptions...
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