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Old 12-20-2016, 03:01 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Old 12-20-2016, 04:01 PM
 
Location: East Mt Airy, Philadelphia
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Western Washington, the Puget Sound region: Olympia, Bellingham, Edmonds, Port Townsend (no dairy farms, but there may be one or two in nearby Sequim). The first two are larger than you prefer, but not huge cities. Edmonds is just north of Seattle, very scenic. (No dairies, though) Port Townsend has approx. 5000 people, very scenic, 4 seasons, though mild.

Water is plentiful in the whole region; rain will be increasing in fall and winter, due to global warming, summers are getting dryer for the same reason. Still, this area will be one of the few in the US that will have an adequate water supply into the future, due to increased rain. Port Townsend is located in the "rain shadow" of the Olympic Mountains, so it's not as rainy and blustery as Bellingham, in case that matters to you. These are all liberal areas that have alternative schools, with the possible exception of Pt Townsend, which may not, simply because it's too small. I don't know; you'd have to research it yourself.

If you look in rural areas to the north and to the east of Seattle, you'll also find small towns with dairy farms around. (Carnation, Duvall, Marysville, Monroe, Enumclaw ) WA State is pretty environmentally-conscious.
Or go farther south, to Oregon - Willamette Valley (Bend would be a bit large, at 80,000, but suburban/exurban areas there probably satisfy a lot of OP's criteria, and going to Google Maps, it looks like there are a bunch of Montessori schools (https://www.google.com/maps/search/m...977,9.5z?hl=en). And like smoke and fire, where there's Montessori, there's likely Waldorf.

And there's dairy farming: https://www.google.com/maps/search/d.../data=!3m1!4b1

Parks: https://www.google.com/maps/search/p...3962696,12.25z Plus the Willamette National Forest just to the west. The (what I suppose would be the) liberal enclave of Eugene is tucked away on the other side of the forest.
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Old 12-20-2016, 04:28 PM
 
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Also if you are anti vax please homeschool your kids.
Yeah, that one really stuck out as causing a null set!
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Old 12-20-2016, 04:34 PM
 
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Western Washington, the Puget Sound region: Olympia, Bellingham, Edmonds, Port Townsend (no dairy farms, but there may be one or two in nearby Sequim). The first two are larger than you prefer, but not huge cities. Edmonds is just north of Seattle, very scenic. (No dairies, though) Port Townsend has approx. 5000 people, very scenic, 4 seasons, though mild.

Water is plentiful in the whole region; rain will be increasing in fall and winter, due to global warming, summers are getting dryer for the same reason. Still, this area will be one of the few in the US that will have an adequate water supply into the future, due to increased rain. Port Townsend is located in the "rain shadow" of the Olympic Mountains, so it's not as rainy and blustery as Bellingham, in case that matters to you. These are all liberal areas that have alternative schools, with the possible exception of Pt Townsend, which may not, simply because it's too small. I don't know; you'd have to research it yourself.

If you look in rural areas to the north and to the east of Seattle, you'll also find small towns with dairy farms around. (Carnation, Duvall, Marysville, Monroe, Enumclaw ) WA State is pretty environmentally-conscious.
Port Townsend has about 9000 people, not 5000. It is also not a good place to refuse vaccinating children, as other parents and the health department do not appreciate people spreading diseases that can be easily prevented by vaccinating. It is also an expensive place to live, and there are plenty of people pressuring others to conform to their personal societal and/or political preferences. There is a LOT of drug and alcohol abuse.

As for east Asians, hahaha. PT is lily white.

I don't think any real town appreciates having nonvaccinators introducing diseases to their people.
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Old 12-20-2016, 07:15 PM
 
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Complete shot in the dark. But Enumclaw, WA.
Thank you. We've been checking into NW Washington and it looks look a good place for us, generally speaking. Enumclaw might be a little close to the Seattle Metro for our comfort, but otherwise looks very good.

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Central Pennsylvania - a really physically beautiful area - has a lot of the items on your list. State College would, I'm guessing, be too liberal & PC. Maybe someplace like Altoona (around 45000 pop.)?
The vaccination item could be problematic for public or private schools if they require vac. certification (they used to when my kids were in k-8, years ago).
You can easily get attachments to your water lines to remove flouride, so flouridated city water shouldn't be a make-or-break item.
It'll be interesting to see how the "small town" and "un-PC/non-zealot" lists (among others) intersect. Keep us posted on your progress!
Thank you for the suggestion. We've heard rural PA is indeed very beautiful and quite different from Pittsburg/Philadelphia. Fluoride accumulates in agriculture and also is encountered in showers, washes, etc, so we'd really prefer a place that doesn't add it, but we'll definitely look into it. We're "old-school" progressive types, which is apparently pretty rare these days.

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Check out the Charlottesville VA area, the population is a bit higher than you want (48K) but otherwise fits most if not all of your criteria otherwise.
Thank you. We've seen lots of great properties out in that area. Seems very pretty as well.

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Western Washington, the Puget Sound region: Olympia, Bellingham, Edmonds, Port Townsend (no dairy farms, but there may be one or two in nearby Sequim). The first two are larger than you prefer, but not huge cities. Edmonds is just north of Seattle, very scenic. (No dairies, though) Port Townsend has approx. 5000 people, very scenic, 4 seasons, though mild.

Water is plentiful in the whole region; rain will be increasing in fall and winter, due to global warming, summers are getting dryer for the same reason. Still, this area will be one of the few in the US that will have an adequate water supply into the future, due to increased rain. Port Townsend is located in the "rain shadow" of the Olympic Mountains, so it's not as rainy and blustery as Bellingham, in case that matters to you. These are all liberal areas that have alternative schools, with the possible exception of Pt Townsend, which may not, simply because it's too small. I don't know; you'd have to research it yourself.

If you look in rural areas to the north and to the east of Seattle, you'll also find small towns with dairy farms around. (Carnation, Duvall, Marysville, Monroe, Enumclaw ) WA State is pretty environmentally-conscious.
Thank you. This is definitely an area of focus right now. Bellingham in particular looks great. We also checked out the Juan de Fuca Islands (sp?). Washington progressives used to be very similar to us, but things have gotten a little more angry/polarized than the "mutual respectfulness" we like so we'd probably want to steer clear of places too close to Seattle. Will check out the rain shadow area in more detail...

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Canada.
We've thought about B.C., but I think we're going to stay in the States or, if that can't work, go to Scandinavia.

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Or go farther south, to Oregon - Willamette Valley (Bend would be a bit large, at 80,000, but suburban/exurban areas there probably satisfy a lot of OP's criteria, and going to Google Maps, it looks like there are a bunch of Montessori schools (https://www.google.com/maps/search/m...977,9.5z?hl=en). And like smoke and fire, where there's Montessori, there's likely Waldorf.

And there's dairy farming: https://www.google.com/maps/search/d.../data=!3m1!4b1

Parks: https://www.google.com/maps/search/p...3962696,12.25z Plus the Willamette National Forest just to the west. The (what I suppose would be the) liberal enclave of Eugene is tucked away on the other side of the forest.
Thank you. Oregon was where we are originally from and it was perfect for us long ago. There are still places that we're considering in the rural parts of Lane, Marion, and Clackamas counties. Eugene has changed a lot over the years, but the spirit lives on in little alcoves.

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Southern Indiana would probably be your best bet.
Great school choices with IU, Purdue, Ball State, Notre Dame etc.
Largest city nearby is Evansville with a city population of 120,000. Lots of available land for the cheap in the area.
Droughts are very rare too and the Great Lakes hold 80% of North America's Freshwater.
You know, we thought about that a couple years ago. Any particular parts of Southern IN that are especially good (the way Berea, KY; Eureka Springs, AR; or Boone, NC might be, for example)?

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Anyone have any thoughts on Wisconsin? It has a huge amount of organic diary farming and land is cheap, but we've heard the culture is pretty conventional (as opposed to open-minded -- my apologies for admittedly over-generalizing).

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Regarding vaccines, don't worry, we'll refrain from trying to pass any laws preventing people from getting vaccines if they want them.
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Old 12-20-2016, 08:52 PM
 
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THIS is why unvaccinated kids introduce diseases to populations that have been vaccinated. The decision to not vaccinate is not without consequences for other people, despite what you hope.

https://shotofprevention.com/2011/04...-unvaccinated/

An even better explanation; read the paragraphs about the four groups of people, near the bottom of the article:

http://www.motherjones.com/environme...asles-exposure

As for the western WA towns suggested, you had better look up actual facts on population and other data rather than trusting off-the-cuff statements.
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Old 12-20-2016, 10:00 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Thank you. This is definitely an area of focus right now. Bellingham in particular looks great. We also checked out the Juan de Fuca Islands (sp?). Washington progressives used to be very similar to us, but things have gotten a little more angry/polarized than the "mutual respectfulness" we like so we'd probably want to steer clear of places too close to Seattle. Will check out the rain shadow area in more detail.
There's a cheese shop in Port Townsend where the owner makes his own cheeses. Where there's homemade cheese, there's a dairy. So you could ask him where he gets his supply.
http://mttownsendcreamery.com/cheese1


It's an interesting town to explore and talk to people (I found the shop owners to be very chatty, helpful and informative), and is very politically active. Downside: there's a pulp or paper mill on the edge of town. Most of the time the wind blows its fumes away from town, but every once in a while, the wind shifts. They say the best part of town to be in to avoid the worse of that is the north end of town, or NW side.
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Old 12-23-2016, 08:09 PM
 
Location: TOVCCA
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Regarding vaccines, don't worry, we'll refrain from trying to pass any laws preventing people from getting vaccines if they want them.
You of course know that you and your children will require a full array of vaccines before immigrating to the US, right? Needed to get the visa!
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Old 12-24-2016, 09:18 AM
 
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There's a cheese shop in Port Townsend where the owner makes his own cheeses. Where there's homemade cheese, there's a dairy. So you could ask him where he gets his supply.
Cheese Shop


It's an interesting town to explore and talk to people (I found the shop owners to be very chatty, helpful and informative), and is very politically active. Downside: there's a pulp or paper mill on the edge of town. Most of the time the wind blows its fumes away from town, but every once in a while, the wind shifts. They say the best part of town to be in to avoid the worse of that is the north end of town, or NW side.
Thank you, Ruth. That's very helpful. I had never heard of the paper mill and that definitely factors. I'll check it all out further, including the cheese shop (seems like I've heard of that before, in fact). Again, thanks for the help.
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Old 12-24-2016, 09:22 AM
 
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You of course know that you and your children will require a full array of vaccines before immigrating to the US, right? Needed to get the visa!
We're already citizens in the States.
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