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Old 01-03-2017, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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Also, last I checked, most manufacturing is still in the Midwest so automation will disproportionately hit the Rust Belt.
Automation isn't just a manufacturing thing any longer. It's here, or coming soon, to occupations as varied as retail clerk, call center worker, truck driver, and accountant. In the medium run, we're all screwed here.
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:20 PM
 
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Automation isn't just a manufacturing thing any longer. It's here, or coming soon, to occupations as varied as retail clerk, call center worker, truck driver, and accountant. In the medium run, we're all screwed here.
Perhaps I simplified the trend in my mind. That said, it is difficult to say that certain states are more prone to exposure than others unless someone can make a list of threatened jobs and just add them up.
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:51 PM
 
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Automation started hitting the Midwest in the 70s and 80s. It's already weathered the bulk of that storm and has been transitioning for decades. It's somewhat of a farce to claim that the bulk of manufacturing is still in the Midwest. It's economic data that's 20 years old at best. Hence the giant shift in manufacturing numbers since then. The bulk of those uneducated workers who were displaced over the last 40 years, moved to the sunbelt.
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Old 01-03-2017, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Florida
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South Carolina is impressive. It seems to be all the rave these days with a lot of Floridians as well.
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Old 01-03-2017, 02:31 PM
 
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Most of Texas isn't in "financial shambles." There is more to financial health than a debt to GDP ratio. Also, last I checked, most manufacturing is still in the Midwest so automation will disproportionately hit the Rust Belt.
Such as? I'm genuinely curious. Debt to GDP tells us just how large a states obligations are compared to their economic output (tax base). States with larger economic output tend to have higher levels of debt, but not always. There are quite a few states with high poverty rates that also have high debt levels.

Most of Texas' debt is at the local level because the state of Texas runs bare bones. Texas isn't in danger of fiscal collapse just as neither California, nor Illinois, nor Florida, nor New York are, but no one's debt obligations are really better than the guy before. Most large states have sizable debt obligations nearly identical to others and to suggest otherwise is dishonest.

Texas and California lead the nation in terms of number of manufacturing jobs. Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and New York are all up there as well. North Carolina also has a strong manufacturing presence. EVERYONE is going to feel the crunch, Parhe. I don't care if you disagree. It's clearly already happening up north. The second it's cheaper to replace a human with an automated machine or decamp to foreign markets where wages are a pittance, it will be done. It already has been done. Countless times.

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Old 01-03-2017, 07:42 PM
 
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Such as? I'm genuinely curious. Debt to GDP tells us just how large a states obligations are compared to their economic output (tax base). States with larger economic output tend to have higher levels of debt, but not always. There are quite a few states with high poverty rates that also have high debt levels.

Most of Texas' debt is at the local level because the state of Texas runs bare bones. Texas isn't in danger of fiscal collapse just as neither California, nor Illinois, nor Florida, nor New York are, but no one's debt obligations are really better than the guy before. Most large states have sizable debt obligations nearly identical to others and to suggest otherwise is dishonest.

Texas and California lead the nation in terms of number of manufacturing jobs. Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and New York are all up there as well. North Carolina also has a strong manufacturing presence. EVERYONE is going to feel the crunch, Parhe. I don't care if you disagree. It's clearly already happening up north. The second it's cheaper to replace a human with an automated machine or decamp to foreign markets where wages are a pittance, it will be done. It already has been done. Countless times.
I've never said anything to the contrary, IrishIllini, and I do not appreciate you trying to paint it in such a way. You aren't worth an actual response until you correct it or apologize.
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Old 01-03-2017, 07:47 PM
 
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Automation started hitting the Midwest in the 70s and 80s. It's already weathered the bulk of that storm and has been transitioning for decades. It's somewhat of a farce to claim that the bulk of manufacturing is still in the Midwest. It's economic data that's 20 years old at best. Hence the giant shift in manufacturing numbers since then. The bulk of those uneducated workers who were displaced over the last 40 years, moved to the sunbelt.
Maybe not the most, I am sorry for being incorrect but most the Rust Belt states seem more dependent on manufacturing for jobs than the US as a whole and Texas, with New York being the exception (since parts of that state is part of the Rust Belt). They also don't seem be paid much more or more productive than those in Texas.

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Old 01-03-2017, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Downtown Los Angeles
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I can't imagine why MA, MD, CT, NY, VA, and CA have net outflows. They're some of the richest and most desirable states in the country.
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Old 01-03-2017, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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I can't imagine why MA, MD, CT, NY, VA, and CA have net outflows. They're some of the richest and most desirable states in the country.
Cost of living. The same goes for PA.
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Old 01-03-2017, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I can't imagine why MA, MD, CT, NY, VA, and CA have net outflows. They're some of the richest and most desirable states in the country.
Upstate New York is where most of the New Yorkers leave. Their reason is most of the time how cold it is.

Virginia puzzles me too. Not sure why Virginia is losing people.
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