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Old 02-01-2017, 09:00 AM
 
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Even NYC literally lost 1 million people during the 70s and early 80s. But gaining of course today. But the State still is losing population overall.

Housing prices in sunbelt major cities are rising fast. Just reading other forums. A question on where to find a $150,000 home in Houston brought some neighborhood sugestions. But also a maybe years ago or a Major fixer-upper and smallish.

Seems even the same problems and their own in fast growing cities? Is more just as northern ones. From city debt including pensions to lack of public transportation and overcrowded expressways and infastructure improvements not keeping up.

Northern cities still have neighborhoods where gentrification is spreading toward and into.
A 150k house is more expensive than a 200k home in a state with lower property taxes. The lack of state income tax benefits higher income people. If you're middle class, you're better off with a reasonable state tax
and low property taxes. I used to live in Texas and senior citizens really feel the hurt from property taxes.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:04 AM
 
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This was really helpful. It steers me back to my original thinking about Roanoke area. I think it might be the place to go. Houses and taxes are cheap, health care jobs are available and I'm thinking the property values will appreciate since people looking for lower COL are going to be priced out of Raleigh, Atlanta and Nashville soon enough.
Roanoke wouldn't be bad, but keep in mind that the list is in relation to family median household income and median home price in an area. So, it appears that some areas in the Midwest and even Interior Northeast are even more affordable. That information also keeps property taxes in mind as well.

The third list covers a range of areas.

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Old 02-01-2017, 09:47 AM
 
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Roanoke wouldn't be bad, but keep in mind that the list is in relation to family median household income and median home price in an area. So, it appears that some areas in the Midwest and even Interior Northeast are even more affordable. That information also keeps property taxes in mind as well.

The third list covers a range of areas.
Milder weather is a goal for me so Roanoke appears (I think?) to be the best option for
Affordable housing and taxes
Safe
Access to hospitals
Decent salary and jobs in health and customer service industry
Traffic
Weather / natural disasters

I think it's lacking in
Culture
Water/beach access
Attracting highly educated people during their working years so it's unlikely to explode like Raleigh, Charlotte, Atlanta, etc

Tbh, I'm not really looking for a place where I'm going to make a lot of money. I'm looking for a safe, affordable area that I can make a decent living without fearing that I'm going to get priced out. I'm ok with that.
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:09 AM
 
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How about Columbus. Combine the faster growth of the South with the lower cost of North.
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:28 AM
 
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How about Columbus. Combine the faster growth of the South with the lower cost of North.
That was a place I was considering. I have a friend in Grove City. I'm originally from northwest Indiana and my brother and his family live in Holland, MI. I thought Columbus might be a good location so I could still see them now and then. The only drawbacks are the snow and I've seen a lot of people complaining about taxes. I'm not sure if they are talking about employment or property taxes or both. Also, isn't there a lot of sprawl there? I think I would have to rent for awhile to find the right area whereas a place like Roanoke seems small enough that I could probably buy right away and still not have a terrible commute.
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:58 AM
 
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A 150k house is more expensive than a 200k home in a state with lower property taxes. The lack of state income tax benefits higher income people. If you're middle class, you're better off with a reasonable state tax
and low property taxes. I used to live in Texas and senior citizens really feel the hurt from property taxes.
That first part may not necessarily be the case or you wouldn't see places in NY high on the list. I think that is why they used income as a factor in relation to an area's housing prices.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:25 AM
 
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That first part may not necessarily be the case or you wouldn't see places in NY high on the list. I think that is why they used income as a factor in relation to an area's housing prices.
A lot of the NY locations (Elmira, Utica, Binghampton) are depressed with little hope for revitalizing in the next decade. Rochester, Albany and Buffalo are better choices but the safer areas are quite higher than the median price. Is there a list of the number of homes bought at each 10k price point? It seems like Roanoke has more livable homes in the 120-180k than other places where the real cost of a livable home is 225k but there's enough sales of 50k dumps to make the median kind of false. I'd like to find more places where you have numbers that aren't so skewed.
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:39 AM
 
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A lot of the NY locations (Elmira, Utica, Binghampton) are depressed with little hope for revitalizing in the next decade. Rochester, Albany and Buffalo are better choices but the safer areas are quite higher than the median price. Is there a list of the number of homes bought at each 10k price point? It seems like Roanoke has more livable homes in the 120-180k than other places where the real cost of a livable home is 225k but there's enough sales of 50k dumps to make the median kind of false. I'd like to find more places where you have numbers that aren't so skewed.
You're a bit hard to follow for what you're looking for. You mention your brother lives in Holland MI which is in a million person metropolitan area that has a smoking hot economy, and cheaper housing. Why would you not look in that area if you're looking for a possible rust belt stopping point? You say too much snow about Columbus, but you have this paragraph rant discounting parts of New York, but then asking for more info about Buffalo? Where if snow were a disqualifier you could simply stop there.


What exactly are you trying to find?
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:50 AM
 
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You're a bit hard to follow for what you're looking for. You mention your brother lives in Holland MI which is in a million person metropolitan area that has a smoking hot economy, and cheaper housing. Why would you not look in that area if you're looking for a possible rust belt stopping point? You say too much snow about Columbus, but you have this paragraph rant discounting parts of New York, but then asking for more info about Buffalo? Where if snow were a disqualifier you could simply stop there.


What exactly are you trying to find?
I'm not interested in Buffalo, I was just replying to the PP about affordable housing in NY. I don't like SW Michigan, too snowy. I was replying to the person who mentioned Columbus bc I was looking there bc of reasons they mentioned and that I can see my family more if I was in that area. I really prefer the SE but like I said, I figured that the prices would be too high for me in Raleigh in 2 years bc of the growth. I think Roanoke is probably the best bet for me.
I didn't mean a list of NY price points, I mean nationwide bc some cities have skewed medians bc of flipping, foreclosure, etc.
Sorry for being confusing.
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:01 PM
 
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A lot of the NY locations (Elmira, Utica, Binghampton) are depressed with little hope for revitalizing in the next decade. Rochester, Albany and Buffalo are better choices but the safer areas are quite higher than the median price. Is there a list of the number of homes bought at each 10k price point? It seems like Roanoke has more livable homes in the 120-180k than other places where the real cost of a livable home is 225k but there's enough sales of 50k dumps to make the median kind of false. I'd like to find more places where you have numbers that aren't so skewed.
Actually, you can get a home in those bigger Upstate NY areas at the median home price in nicer areas in those metros. This may give you an idea and the minimum size is 1500 sq. ft., with at least 3 bedrooms within that 120-175k range: Property Search Results It starts out very Rochester heavy, but other areas are mingled in later in the search.


Even those first 3 areas have very nice areas within the metro that are relatively affordable. Look at the Horseheads(Elmira area), New Hartford(Utica) and Vestal(Binghamton) areas for examples and there are others in those areas.

Also, all areas are skewed, as the price of "dumps" may vary by area due to location/demand. So, that isn't exclusive to certain areas.

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